If we had Hibbert we wouldn't have offered for Kanter. So you only add one of them. And if were considering guys who we only thought of adding (Hawes) then we should add Monroe too. This is sounding like a very solid frontcourt...
So the fact that CJ, Crabbe, and Plums haven't sucked is also meaningless? You can't have it both ways.
players with PER > 15 this season who were available when Olshey drafted Leonard (whose PER this season is 9.5): 19.3 John Henson 19.2 Draymond Green 19.0 Kyle O'Quinn 18.4 Jeremy Lamb 17.1 Jared Sullinger 16.8 Tyler Zeller 16.0 Mike Scott 15.1 Jae Crowder undrafted: 16.6 Kent Bazemore 16.1 Mirza Teletovic http://bkref.com/tiny/UNOK5
I already annihilated your argument. You're Jose Aldo, in a confused daze, dreaming about winning, not understanding that you just got knocked out with one punch in 13 seconds.
How so? You didn't address one point I made (because you can't). Didn't answer my question of how high of a level of basketball you ever played. You're just trolling, and I expect better of you.
All that Sinobas said was that Vonleh "looks like a dud," and posters jumped on him like he had cruelly condemned Vonleh to the guillotine.
I didn't read that stuff. My point wasn't really about Vonleh but about young players getting used to a higher level and about getting into a rhythm compared to playing time, which he then called utter bullshit and claimed he was more intellectual about it than me.
Hawes was widely considered a fuckup until his one adequate year for the awful 76ers. Other than one year's stats, he was a clown. And he was nothing great for Philadelphia. Only Olshey said that, to justify his pursuit. The only other team who made Hawes an offer was the Clippers. Even if you find one other team which mildly expressed interest, the fact remains that the whole league saw Hawes as a Donald Trump-like blowhard, who in the media was always begging for someone to argue with him about politics, but couldn't put out on the court. The black equivalent would get banished from the league by all the Canzanos.
Trying to be as impartial as I can, I think this statement was directed at yourself? Warm ups and getting into rhythm are completely different. By your standards then everyone should produce in their first 5 minutes or be benched? It is you that isn't making any sense. Sorry....
Haven't any of you guys taken a science class? I have to spoon feed you guys like baby birds. Come up with a hypothesis, find a way to test it, then analyze the result. The excuse for Noah Vonleh producing so little per 36 minutes is that he didn't have enough time to "get into rhythm." If that is the case, that NBA players in general require so much time to "get into the rhythm", then we'd see evidence of that. 1st quarter scores would be lower than other quarters, because everyone is starting the game from point 0, as far as this "theory of rhythm" goes. But that is not the case. So it's not the case for NBA players in general. If Noah needs to be on the court for 5 minutes or whatever, producing almost nothing before he can get into rhythm, then it's a sign that HE has a problem. Another stat you can look at, is how he compares to other bench players score per 36. They'd be facing the same theorhetical "rhythm" problem that Vonleh faces. He's so far down there, it might be easier for you to see a list of guys that he is above in that statistic, because the list is so short. Andre Roberson, Joakim Noah, Tyson Chandler, Kevin Garnett, Trey Lyles, Lamar Patterson, Nick Collison, Alonzo Gee, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, Kyle Singler,Omer Asik, Tayshaun Prince. So there you go. Even if I grant you the rhythm argument, you still lose, because he still sucks relative to other bench players. Look at these guys, they are all known for being no offense defensive specialists. And Vonleh is not even that.
Another thing, he's FG% is very low. Most guys that are not talented enough on offense to be one of the primary options, are opportunistic scorers, and thus, have high FG%, but Vonleh's eFG% is 44%. You can talk about how much talent or potential he has, but his output, right now, is abysmal.
Your fault is that you are assuming all players get into rhythm at the same time. Many players take 5 minutes to get into rhythm. The fact you cant see that negates your whole statement about spoon feeding whatever... Not all players are the same. I would think that's a no brainer?
I was trying to find a clip on youtube where Bob Knight was poking fun of the word "rhythm" in relation to basketball. But I couldn't find it. But anyway, maybe the reason you're a backup, is that if it takes you so long to get into the game it makes you a liability. Jose Aldo needed time to find his "rhythm", and this happened!
Those players are a liability then, unless they are bringing something good right away. But I still don't buy it, because not every player needs to be the same in order for that "rhythm" affect to show up in the overall team scoring data by quarter. And why would a coach bring a guy off the bench who takes 5 minutes to be productive? Most bench guys play 6-7 minute stretches. Coach, just leave me in for 5 minutes, and I swear I you won't regret it once I warm up and finish the last 2 strong.
Interesting that you believe that enough as proof why we shouldn't have signed him. Especially since his 1 good season in Philly was actually a half season in Cleveland when he put up his best stats. His 4 seasons in Philly he average 10 and 7 in 25mpg. His 3 seasons in SAC he averaged 8.8 and 5.5 in 23mpg. By comparison our own beloved Lopez in his 4 seasons prior to coming here was very similar. Look I get that Spencer Hawes was not the Holy Grail free agent everyone delusionally thinks we have a chance at and therefore think the GM is punishable by termination, but lets at least keep our feet on the ground here and realize Portland is not a place that Free Agents want to come. The funny thing abou the whole thing is the people complaining about the targets would still want Olshey fired for targetting and failing at landing Durrant this summer.
