Neil's plan?

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  1. blue9

    blue9 Well-Known Member

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    And that's just it - Hawes was no better than Lopez, yet we were going to give Hawes a contract similar to the one that NYK just gave Lopez. Lopez was great because of what we paid for his production. Double the price and he's no longer an asset he's an anchor.
     
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    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    So Olshey suckered the Clippers into overpaying for Hawes? Then he caused OKC to sign Kanter to a crippling contract?

    Brilliant.
     
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    Not saying its the reason he can't preform, just saying he'll likely get better as the game wears on, especially since he doesnt have a feel for the level of play let. Since he doesn't have a feel for the level of play yet, he needs more minutes to build some sort of rythym. The more minutes he gets per game, the more he'll get comfortable with his game as a whole. Im personally going through the same thing.

    At the start of the game there's no rythym established. You're operating on the premise that you need a rythym to make a shot, which is not the case. But more often do you see someone come out shooting poorly than lighting it up.

    And that list doesnt prove anything. I'm not arguing that he's playing well at all, I'm just saying that the more minutes he plays in a game, the more comfortable he'll get. The more comfortable he gets, the better feel he'll have for the NBA game. It's basic logic. There's a reason Dame usually doesnt go off till the second half.
     
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    This is very common among younger players. CJ had to get a rhythm going to and he couldn't do it until he saw consistent minutes.
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    Lopez' acquisition kept TT happy. So did trading Batum.

    Neil deserves passes on those because they were in effort to keep TT happy.
     
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    if you want to insult the guy...insult the post ..no personal insults ...the mods are slippin'
     
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    Is it really that grainy? I didn't see an issue with that. He said he sounded like a guy with no intellect. He didn't say he is unintelligent. Coulda been much worse... just sayin. :)
    Afterall, Sinobas insinuated that we have bird brains, in a round about way. lol
     
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    chzbrgr Well-Known Member

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    I was just checkin sinobas for his reactionary bs
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Mason Plumlee - 25 years old, 4 years of college, 3835 minutes played in the NBA, 182 games.

    CJ McCollum - 24 years old, 4 years of college, 2468 minutes played in the NBA, 129 games.

    Allen Crabbe - 23 years old, 3 years of college, 1518 minutes played in the NBA, 96 games.

    Noah Vonleh - 20 years old, 1 year of college, 696 minutes played in the NBA, 55 games.

    One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just isn't the same.
     
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    I'm in awe that people are struggling to understand Neils plan.He's building a team that this is the bottom out year. He will add a top 5 pick, then try to attract a Free agent this summer. Next year the team even without that top 5 pick will have gotten better because it's youg and will be be likely just outside the playoffs, add one more top 14 guy, then 2017 its all about the playoffs as Dame, CJ, Plumlee, and even Aminu and Davis start entering their prime ages.
     
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    I was never on the Vonleh wagon, but i try not to judge players under 22.

    As i told you guys before - think of Vonleh as if he was David West in his college years.
     
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    Got it.:cheers:
     
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    As I've said before, I would buy that argument if Vonleh was inconsistent...if he was mixing mistakes with spectacular plays. Instead of inconsistent, he is just consistently not very good. Big difference.
     
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    I think we can all agree he probably needed to stay in college another year or two and he tends to disappear in the starting unit but he averaged 18 per game in summer league the skills are there let him get used to the speed of the NBA and reevaluate after the season is all im sayin. I think he is gunna start to become more and more effective as the season goes along and he gets more acclimated to the NBA and his new teammates.
     
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    How many actual touches is he getting? He's basically just a body out there. Do you remember what Crabbe looked like last season? If a player isn't confident, and they defer, then they will look like total crap. It took Crabbe three years to actually develop into anything useful, AND he was a three year college player.
     
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    I didn't see a personal insult in there.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I didn't see any insults, just poor english.
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Haha from Riverman or me?
     
  19. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    From you haha

    If you'd said "knowledge" instead of "intellect" he wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
     
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    I was mocking him...
     

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