This thread is not only limited to guys who can run around the floor and can get open a lot like crazy, but also for big men who are GREAT at popping out and setting great picks for his guy to get open and a shot off. I think stuff like this is extremely undervalued and not praised enough today in the NBA. Granted now there are so many guys that are just ridiculous at scoring that this stuff gets done less and less, but it just comes down to the fundamentals of the NBA, and you look at some of the best teams in the NBA also do this stuff extremely well. Like in the other thread, I have to say Rip Hamilton for this one. He just runs for days and days around picks (which are also very very good picks, which is how he gets as open as he does a lot of times). I also think this is why the Pistons have been so successful of late. They are so good at doing the little things that other teams dont. I'll use an example from the 2nd game of last season (Yes, a long time ago, bear with me). The Celtics played the Pistons and were up 1 with 0.8 seconds left. The Pistons just set up in a standard stack with a guy inbounding it, and Hamilton just ran all the way around it, and if I remember right, a double or triple pick, then had enough room to get a nice 18 footer off and just drilled it. That's basketball played right.
Kyle Korver is great too. Most guys think hes just a stand and shoot guy. But he fights around screens to get the shot well.Also: Ray Allen, Micheal Redd, Kobe Bryant.Shawn Marion is always good getting open for the alley oop.Also: Andre Iguodala, Ben Wallace, Tayshaun Prince.
All time : Reggie Miller, John Havelichec, Jerry West, Dennis RodmanNow: Rip Hamilton, Dwayne Wade, Kyle Korver, Shawn Marion, Leanardo Barbosa
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zards @ Jan 2 2007, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Rip Hamilton is very good at it, and Reggie Miller was amazing doing it, too.</div>exactly what I was going to say.AI is quite good at running around screens and getting open.
Peja used to be one of the best at doing that with Divac's. Amare Stoudemire is probably the best at it now.
Rip Hamilton is easily the best in the league right now, and there really isn't anybody else I can think of that would give him a run for the top spot in the league right now.Iverson is great at running off of screens (see 2000-2001 season and before), but due to the fact that he is a point guard and handles the ball so much, he doesn't get the recognition he deserves with his off-the-ball offensive abilities.Korver can run off screens as well, but he is at his best feeding off of a penetrating point guard. That's why he played so well with Iverson, and struggled during Iverson's "ban."
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jan 1 2007, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>All time : Reggie Miller, John Havelichec, Jerry West, Dennis RodmanNow: Rip Hamilton, Dwayne Wade, Kyle Korver, Shawn Marion, Leanardo Barbosa</div>Please, save it. It's John Havlicek. You've most likely have never even seen him play. Along with Jerry West..
Why do you guys bother responding to Pacersfan? We all know he doesn't know anything about basketball, why bring BBW's intelligence level down by bickering with him.
Rip is amazing off the bell, Josh Howard and Jason Terry are too, and Dirk is good off the ball to get an open look at the 3.
Another nice topic yanks!I agree with everyone, and I think it's pretty clear that Rip Hamilton is the best. He can run for as long as you want him too, and he never gets tired. He can get open at any time, no matter who is chasing him (especially considering nobody can keep up with him). He tires out the opponent, and he doesn't get tired, so that always gives him yet another step advantage late in games. No doubt Rip is #1 off the ball.Ray Allen is up there as well. He has a high stamina level and he throws all the jukes and fake slashes at defenders all the time. He comes off screen's beautifully, and gets in the perfect spot by stepping right behind the screen, making it impossible for the defender to bother the shot. And to top it off, he's in my mind the best shooter in the league. He hurts you with getting open, then he converts when he gets the ball because he's one of the all-time great shooters (from anywhere on the floor).Another guy who is pretty good at this is Matt Carroll. He isn't a top tier player, but he knows how to get open. He's a pretty good shooter, and he knows where to be on the floor. He's not the fastest or most athletic guy in the world, but he rubs off screen's nicely and he has those sneaky step backs that leave him open.
^ Yeah true thing about Matt Carroll, I was watching the Heat/Bobcats game awhile back and I really noticed that this player gets into real good position for a good shot especially the 3. Now as everyone else said, Id go with Rip as the best player on offense without the ball.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jan 1 2007, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>All time : Reggie Miller, John Havelichec, Jerry West, Dennis RodmanNow: Rip Hamilton, Dwayne Wade, Kyle Korver, Shawn Marion, Leanardo Barbosa</div>Leanardo Barbosa Someone mentioned Shaq, which I think is incorrect. I think when you think of movement without the ball, you think of it in a half-court setting. Shaq just basically gets down the floor and stands on the side of the key. He doesn't 'establish' himself or fight for position he just kinda plops himself down
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L_C @ Jan 2 2007, 09:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Leanardo Barbosa Someone mentioned Shaq, which I think is incorrect. I think when you think of movement without the ball, you think of it in a half-court setting. Shaq just basically gets down the floor and stands on the side of the key. He doesn't 'establish' himself or fight for position he just kinda plops himself down</div>No one said 'moving without the ball'...They just said best WITHOUT THE BALL, therefore Shaq is pretty good because he can always get himself open...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jan 2 2007, 10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No one said 'moving without the ball'...They just said best WITHOUT THE BALL, therefore Shaq is pretty good because he can always get himself open...</div>First post in this thread:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>but also for big men who are GREAT at popping out and setting great picks for his guy to get open and a shot off.</div>Shaq does neither of those..
Link<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Playing alongside Hall of Famers helped Havlicek to hone his court vision.“I developed it because Bob Cousy was such a visionary on the floor,” Havlicek says, “and I think that you pick up a lot from your teammates. I was never a ballhandler or anything like that but I never lost sight of the ball at any one moment while I was on the basketball floor. The other thing is that I had a lot of movement to my game. I was never standing around. That creates a lot of opportunities. Those are some of the things that probably made me a better passer.”</div>Link<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Havlicek was like a perpetual motion machine, constantly running up and down the court at full speed. He became a starter at forward in 1966-67 and was a key man on the Celtic fast break because of his running, along with his scoring and passing ability.</div>I know what I'm talking aboutBTW: His lungs were two times the size of a normal person. I knew that off the top of my head.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jan 2 2007, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LinkLinkI know what I'm talking about</div>That still doesn't prove anything.. you've never actually seen him play. You're basing your personal knowledge about John Havlicek off of some basketball analyst when you know nothing about him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zards @ Jan 2 2007, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That still doesn't prove anything.. you've never actually seen him play. You're basing your personal knowledge about John Havlicek off of some basketball analyst when you know nothing about him. </div>I've also read a whole book about him with quotes from all kinds of players and staff back then. I know as much as possible.
