Immunotherapy - A Possible Cure for cancer?

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  1. Blazer4ever

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    The Immunotheraputic theory claims that enhancement of the immune system can battle cancer, any type of cancer, and enable the body to overcome the disease.
    I've made a personal, non-official study and reached the conclusion that Zinc, a chemical element that is naturally within the body and in many types of food, can have the same effect on the body whereas lack of Zinc, what is called Zinc deficiency, can cause weakness in the immune system and too much Zinc can lead to an auto-immune disease which happens when the immune system is too strong and attacks itself.
    Is it possible that Cancer can be cured by monitoring the zinc levels in the body. Maintaining a level where there is no Zinc deficiency but also prevent the Zinc levels from getting too high therefore preventing an auto-immune situation?

    After making this assumption I found this research from 2009 = http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20155630 - which makes very much the same claim I've made but to my knowledge hasn't been researched further.

    I'm sharing this also because it's interesting but also because I'm kinda stuck in getting anyone within the medical world to listen to my theory and be able to examine this possibility thoroughly, I've already tried different directions but I've come to realize no-one really listens to some strange dude who tells him he maybe found the cure for cancer. I'm guessing too many strange dudes have already made similar claims. I'm just hoping someone would be able to examine it to see if there's even the slightest chance I'm right.

    I would appreciate it if you can help me out with this and who knows, maybe even help mankind...
    Thank you:)
     
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    It's not a cure. Prevention and cure are very different things.
     
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    For one thing, what you have here is just a hypothesis, not a theory. Secondly the mechanisms that cause malignant mutations in cells are caused by a myriad of factors (environmental, genetic, etc.). Thirdly, as to why people aren't taking you seriously it's because you haven't actually done a scientific study (double-blind, long-term, large sample size, controlling for variables, etc.).

    If you want to be taken seriously I'd suggest you go back to school and get a PhD in biology and then dedicate the rest of your life trying to solve the problem along with all of the other biomedical researchers doing the heavy lifting of real scientific inquiry.
     
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    I would look for populations that have naturally occurring higher levels of zinc in the water and environment and if you can find how their cancer rates compare to the national and world averages.
     
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    I think it could be a cure. Could possibly be a preventive but even then I wouldn't recommend too much Zinc which could cause auto-immune failures for the same reason it maybe, possibly, could enhance the immune system to fight cancer.
    I continue to try and convince people who are already able to make serious research on the subject that it's not entirely unfounded. If it would take me becoming a doctor myself I'd consider it but I hope someone takes a chance on this to at least check it out and not wait through years of me going to school
     
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    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/757713

    Over the last years, evidence has accumulated suggesting that by systematically reducing the amount of dietary carbohydrates (CHOs) one could suppress, or at least delay, the emergence of cancer, and that proliferation of already existing tumor cells could be slowed down. This hypothesis is supported by the association between modern chronic diseases like the metabolic syndrome and the risk of developing or dying from cancer. CHOs or glucose, to which more complex carbohydrates are ultimately digested, can have direct and indirect effects on tumor cell proliferation: first, contrary to normal cells, most malignant cells depend on steady glucose availability in the blood for their energy and biomass generating demands and are not able to metabolize significant amounts of fatty acids or ketone bodies due to mitochondrial dysfunction. Second, high insulin and insulin-like growth factor (IGF)-1 levels resulting from chronic ingestion of CHO-rich Western diet meals, can directly promote tumor cell proliferation via the insulin/IGF1 signaling pathway. Third, ketone bodies that are elevated when insulin and blood glucose levels are low, have been found to negatively affect proliferation of different malignant cells in vitro or not to be usable by tumor cells for metabolic demands, and a multitude of mouse models have shown antitumorigenic properties of very low CHO ketogenic diets. In addition, many cancer patients exhibit an altered glucose metabolism characterized by insulin resistance and may profit from an increased protein and fat intake. In this review, we address the possible beneficial effects of low CHO diets on cancer prevention and treatment. Emphasis will be placed on the role of insulin and IGF1 signaling in tumorigenesis as well as altered dietary needs of cancer patients.
     
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    Other possible breakthroughs:
    The deterioration of dopaminergic cells that causes Parkinson may possibly be stopped with Valproic Acid (which may also have the oppsite effect).
    Osteoporosis could maybe be treated with male-hormones.
    Fibromialgia may be a result of low calcium levels in the diet.
    Alzheimer could be a result of high Cortizon levels.
     
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    I venture to say that if your an organic vegan and do not reside in the great State of NJ you have a splendid chance to avoid cancer. In the news the latest Italian cancer scares are in the toxic dumps around their cities. Apparantly they do not have the US foresite of leaching effects through the enviornment back to the human. I'll bet there are cures but it would be economically determined not to reveal it to the general masses as they are the target audience for donations to charities, pharma and hospital profits.
     
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    Blazer4Ever, there has been enormous research on this and related topics. I have personally been involved with research on HeLa and HaCaT cell lines that were grown in several different medias, each with differing levels of Mn, Cu, Ni and Zn (zinc) as well as several other Transition metals and looking at how those affected certain cell communication pathways as well as cancer proliferation. Just for fun, I just typed in "zinc cancer" into google scholar to see what types of research popped up, there were almost 1.2 million results https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=zinc cancer&btnG=&as_sdt=1,48&as_sdtp=

    Also, the only research most people hear about is what has broken through into the mainstream media. But there is a tremendous amount of research that only gets read by other scientists, and all that is just a drop in the bucket compared to what is researched by labs, turns up nothing of import and is never written up. In my 7 years at OHSU as a lab tech I participated in between 200-300 experiments but was only included in 4 publications which discussed perhaps around 10-20 different experiments. The rest of those experiments either led nowhere, or led to more interesting experiments. There is brilliant research being done, but there is always need for more in depth research. The truth is, your theory is very base, and has likely been explored thousands of times by different labs across the globe.
     
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    I googled Zinc Cancer several times and all the researches I've found showed very positive results
     
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    I google myself all the time and I always achieve positive results
     
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    http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/13/1004.full

    compared with nonusers, men who consumed more than 100 mg/day of supplemental zinc had a relative risk of advanced prostate cancer of 2.29 (95% confidence interval = 1.06 to 4.95; Ptrend = .003), and men who took supplemental zinc for 10 or more years had a relative risk of 2.37 (95% confidence interval = 1.42 to 3.95; Ptrend<.001). Although we cannot rule out residual confounding by supplemental calcium intake or some unmeasured correlate of zinc supplement use, our findings, that chronic zinc oversupply may play a role in prostate carcinogenesis, warrant further investigation.
     
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    I'd like to say I don't mean to be rude, but really I could give a fuck. This is a bullshit claim.

    If you actually go beyond the headlines of the articles (I typed in zinc + cancer and the sampled three hits from the first page of the results, reading the body text) showed anything but universally positive results.

    http://ww5.komen.org/BreastCancer/Zinc.html

    Just type CTRL+F and search for "cancer" on that page alone.
     
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    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20155630
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3102454/
    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/286762.php

    I've seen the prostate research, it could have some meaning but it could also be one unfounded study (that even they say this claim isn't fully based). My argument for Zinc is based on theory, the same theory in the 1st link. The next two links are less about theory and more about studies that show Zinc as having a possible positive effect on Cancer. Still, not nearly enough has been done to test this issue
     
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    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4215472/

    Synopsis: glucose feeds cancer cells. Starve the body of sugars/carbohydrates and you starve the cancer cells.

    I can produce dozens of similar findings.

    I would not go as far as claiming a keto diet cures cancer. However, it may well be an alternative to chemotherapy. And I believe your risk of getting cancer while on the diet is dramatically reduced.
     
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