Those six seasons during the '90s: '90-'91, '91-'92, '92-'93, '95-'96, '96-'97, '97-'98. All of them which Michael Jordan has a won a championship with the Chicago Bulls. Now imagine if MJ and the Bulls did not dominate that decade of basketball. Who would've tooken over? There were a number of teams, but a team that really stands out are the Utah Jazz. The Jazz had the great duo of top 5 PG in NBA history John Stockton and top 5 PF in NBA history Karl Malone. Every year, they were so close.. but always were topped by Jordan's Bulls. If Jordan had not won those 6 championships (or even if he didn't exist), Utah would have probably won at least 4 championships during that decade. Another team would be the Portland Trail Blazers, Clyde Drexler, the superstar of those Blazers squads, but was on a STACKED team. He had guys like Terry Porter, Kevin Duckworth, and Jerome Kersey on those Blazer teams. All of them could give you 15-20 points per game. I can name more teams that could've done very well in the '90s had not Jordan won those championships. But I don't want to name them, I want you guys to talk about this.
Utah would not have won 4 titles during the 90s. they most likely would have won 2, but no MJ doesn't mean much more than that for Utah. remember Utah is in the west, so Jordan only knocked them out those two years in the finals, the other years Utah lost because they just didn't have the depth that the Blazers, Sonics and Rockets had.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zards @ Jan 2 2007, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Those six seasons during the '90s: '90-'91, '91-'92, '92-'93, '95-'96, '96-'97, '97-'98. All of them which Michael Jordan has a won a championship with the Chicago Bulls. Now imagine if MJ and the Bulls did not dominate that decade of basketball. Who would've tooken over? There were a number of teams, but a team that really stands out are the Utah Jazz. The Jazz had the great duo of top 5 PG in NBA history John Stockton and top 5 PF in NBA history Karl Malone. Every year, they were so close.. but always were topped by Jordan's Bulls. If Jordan had not won those 6 championships (or even if he didn't exist), Utah would have probably won at least 4 championships during that decade. Another team would be the Portland Trail Blazers, the superstar of those Blazers squads, but was on a STACKED team. He had guys like Terry Porter, Kevin Duckworth, and Jerome Kersey on those Blazer teams. All of them could give you 15-20 points per game. I can name more teams that could've done very well in the '90s had not Jordan won those championships. But I don't want to name them, I want you guys to talk about this.</div><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">That paragraph is not clear. By "the superstar of those Blazers squads", are you referring to Clyde The Glide Drexler? I'm sure you are but you did not drop his name.. Did you forget who the superstar was?Anyway, I hate thinking about "What If" scenarios. If I do have to mention another team that could have won a championship had the Bulls not dominated, I'd have to drop the Orlando Magic into the mix. Shaquille O' Neal & Penny Hardaway were sensationalists when they played together. I think the duo could have won a ring or two together.</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jan 2 2007, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Utah would not have won 4 titles during the 90s. they most likely would have won 2, but no MJ doesn't mean much more than that for Utah. remember Utah is in the west, so Jordan only knocked them out those two years in the finals, the other years Utah lost because they just didn't have the depth that the Blazers, Sonics and Rockets had.</div>Yeah, I just checked that right after I posted. My bad. And yeah, Illosophee, I was referring to Clyde Drexler.. wow I'm losing it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Illosophee @ Jan 2 2007, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">That paragraph is not clear. By "the superstar of those Blazers squads", are you referring to Clyde The Glide Drexler? I'm sure you are but you did not drop his name.. Did you forget who the superstar was?Anyway, I hate thinking about "What If" scenarios. If I do have to mention another team that could have won a championship had the Bulls not dominated, I'd have to drop the Orlando Magic into the mix. Shaquille O' Neal & Penny Hardaway were sensationalists when they played together. I think the duo could have won a ring or two together.</span></div>The Magic would have won only one championship at the very most, and it would have been hard to win that finals in 1996 against the Sonics.
There would have been no dynasty by any teams but different teams of that era, Knicks, Blazers, Jazz, Indiana, Phoenix might have won 1 or 2 rings. There are probably more teams I forgot. The Jazz would've probably won the most of all of them. I don't think any team would win more than 2.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Jan 2 2007, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Magic would have won only one championship at the very most, and it would have been hard to win that finals in 1996 against the Sonics.</div><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">True, but I'm referring to times when they didn't face the Bulls. Maybe the Magic could have won several Playoff games that led them to face a different team and eventually could have won a championship.</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Illosophee @ Jan 2 2007, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">True, but I'm referring to times when they didn't face the Bulls. Maybe the Magic could have won several Playoff games that led them to face a different team and eventually could have won a championship.</span></div>They only really played one season together where the Bulls knocked them out of the playoffs, and that was 1996. In 1995 they knocked the Bulls out, and the year before they lost in the first round to the Pacers. In the 1997 playoffs, Shaq was a Laker.
If Jordan ahd not won any championships there would be no legacy. He'd be less thought of than Stockton/Malone/Barkely together
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Jan 3 2007, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Magic would have won only one championship at the very most, and it would have been hard to win that finals in 1996 against the Sonics.</div>SNIFF SNIFF :cry2: Dam you MJ
That was not only Michael Jordan, you should be saying damn you Bulls. He was not the only player on that team, he was on a VERY good Chicago Bulls team.Edit: Furthermore, as good as that Sonics team was, and as tough as it would have been, I think the Magic of that year could have beat the Sonics.
the more important question is if jordan never won a ring, would he even be thought of as top ten all time? Maybe. That's where the people who bash garnett have their theory fall apart.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>the more important question is if jordan never won a ring, would he even be thought of as top ten all time? Maybe. That's where the people who bash garnett have their theory fall apart.</div>I think he would fall under the Pistol Pete category. He has extraordinary talent and scoring ability, But was always looked at like a one man show. He would still be ranked in the top 10. At least, I would still rank him that high. Players with Jordans talent and drive don't come often.If the Jordan dynasty never occured I think the entire 90's era would be a wide open field every season. It would be nearly impossible to pick a champion. Orlando, Portland, Utah, New York, Phoenix, Houston, Seattle, Atlanta, Indiana, San Antonio, Miami, Los Angeles. They all had a shot to win a title at some point or another in the Jordan age.
We wouldn't have the stupid, "Is this guy the next Michael Jordan?". Michael also wouldn't be considered Great b/c like this board, everyone judges how good an individual is by team accomplishments.
Well, he wouldnt be considered even a top 10 player of all time IMO. Sure, he had great stats when he was playing, but people remembered him for winning his 6 rings, and for all of the game winners that he shot in the playoffs. He would be a compleltey different player. Kobe would already be considered better than him, and people would be much easier to say that Lebron will be better than him as well. Just out of curiousity, if MJ didnt win those 6 rings, who would we be comparing players like Kobe and Lebron to? Everyone always asks, "do you think Kobe will be better than MJ when his career is done with"? If MJ never won those rings, they would be comparing Kobe to a different person IMO. Who do you think it would be?
MJ would be thought of as the best shooting guard of all time but not the best player. That field would be wide open to interpretation and probably there wouldn't be as many swingmen because the NBA wouldn't be filled with people basing their game off of MJ.The nineties probably would have been the second coming of the seventies both in terms of parity and league lack of success.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jan 4 2007, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, he wouldnt be considered even a top 10 player of all time IMO. Sure, he had great stats when he was playing, but people remembered him for winning his 6 rings, and for all of the game winners that he shot in the playoffs. He would be a compleltey different player. Kobe would already be considered better than him, and people would be much easier to say that Lebron will be better than him as well. Just out of curiousity, if MJ didnt win those 6 rings, who would we be comparing players like Kobe and Lebron to? Everyone always asks, "do you think Kobe will be better than MJ when his career is done with"? If MJ never won those rings, they would be comparing Kobe to a different person IMO. Who do you think it would be?</div><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">Hmm... Maybe Larry Bird because Bird won rings and was a great versatile player, too.</span>
Well, Utah Jazz would have won some and Malone would not be ringless. It is hard to imagine a team with Jordan not winning any championships, he was a spectacular player. Even if his team was as bad as the Knikerbokers they would have still made the post season with him. Bulls had the right coach and the right player to do the job, that is what got things done.
