<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marvinmartian @ Jan 9 2007, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Mavs are the most complete team overall.Great offense, great defense, very deep bench, great coach...it's as simple as that.Now the Suns look like the team that's the most "insync"...at least when Nash is running the point.</div>and besides their defensive weaknesses (which are compensated by their high-powered offense), what do the Mavs have that the Suns don't? Even when Barbosa is running the show things flow very well. You wanna talk about depth? How many teams in the NBA would draw up a play for their sixth man to take the game-winning shot (besides Ben Gordon?). And I'd pay you if you were able to find anything wrong with Mike D'Antoni's coaching job.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ProStix#6 @ Jan 9 2007, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>and besides their defensive weaknesses (which are compensated by their high-powered offense), what do the Mavs have that the Suns don't? Even when Barbosa is running the show things flow very well. You wanna talk about depth? How many teams in the NBA would draw up a play for their sixth man to take the game-winning shot (besides Ben Gordon?). And I'd pay you if you were able to find anything wrong with Mike D'Antoni's coaching job. </div>But thats the thing....Defensive weaknesses are enough to make the team less complete than the Mavericks. Alot of people say that defense is just as important as offense....I dont agree with that, but it is very important, and the fact of the matter is that the Suns aren't a good defensive ball club. The Suns have a very good bench, but I like the bench of the Mavericks alot more. They have both good defenders and some good scorers off of the bench too. Jerry Stackhouse, when on, can light you up like crazy. He did very well in one of the series last year in the playoffs. I cant remember if it was the Spurs or Suns series. And they also have guys like Buckner, Diop, and Johnson who are all good defenders. There isnt anything wrong with what D'Antoni is doing, but I would be that if you put 10 different coaches in that position, they would do just as good if not better. He has so much talent its not even funny....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And while we're all getting acquainted...Rok meet Common Sense, you two needed to be re-uniterd a long time ago.</div> That one flew over your head.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ProStix#6 @ Jan 9 2007, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>and besides their defensive weaknesses (which are compensated by their high-powered offense), what do the Mavs have that the Suns don't? Even when Barbosa is running the show things flow very well. You wanna talk about depth? How many teams in the NBA would draw up a play for their sixth man to take the game-winning shot (besides Ben Gordon?). And I'd pay you if you were able to find anything wrong with Mike D'Antoni's coaching job.</div>Every heard of Jerry Stackhouse? How about Deven George?And what do the Mavs have that the Suns don't? Well besides the obvious defense, the Mavs is heads and shoulders above the Suns, their Depth, 1-12, is much better, and I tend to think that Avery out coached D'Antoni in the WCF last year.After the Suns forced the Mavs into a run and shoot game, and won game 1 of the WCF, Avery changed some things and the Suns were playing from behind the rest of the way...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marvinmartian @ Jan 9 2007, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Every heard of Jerry Stackhouse? How about Deven George?And what do the Mavs have that the Suns don't? Well besides the obvious defense, the Mavs is heads and shoulders above the Suns, their Depth, 1-12, is much better, and I tend to think that Avery out coached D'Antoni in the WCF last year.After the Suns forced the Mavs into a run and shoot game, and won game 1 of the WCF, Avery changed some things and the Suns were playing from behind the rest of the way...</div>I also tend to think that the Suns lacked a guy named Amare Stoudamire as well.
Yes, it's not hard to outcoach someone when his only interior defender is injured, his only interior scorer is injured and the 2nd best 3-point shooter on a team that relied on that was injured. In the playoffs you don't use 12 guys and anyone past your top 8 or 9 would be embarrassed by any good NBA team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marvinmartian @ Jan 9 2007, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I knew there would be an excuse somewhere, lol.</div>It's obvious. Take out your interior defenders Damp and Diop, your 2nd best player Josh Howard and one of your starting guards and you guys would not pass the first round. So before anyone talks about the Suns losing to the Mavs or going to 7 against the #7 seed then take the same off of your team and see how it goes for you. I was not really making excuses during playoff time and was rooting for the Mavs all the way in the Finals. But really it's not hard to outcoach someone when the team is riddled with injuries. I didn't even mention Nash's back problems that hurt him in the playoffs and Marion being really beat up and playing through a bunch of small injuries.I know the Suns should've probably worked on getting better depth and the Mavs are better now so it won't be just as easy as just being healthy to beat the Mavs. I'm just saying, it's not really outcoaching someone when there are so many injuries. Just like it's not a big deal to outcoach someone in their first year which is why I don't bring up that playoff series 2 years ago. I think Avery Johnson is a little bit better coach but lets see how they do this year. Our entire coaching staff is pretty darn good but I can't compare since I know nothing about the Mavs coaching staff.
No offense asufan but it was given Amare was not going to be in the playoffs and for that matter most of the year. So it's not like you guys were without him close to the playoffs. It was a given situation. This year is different but that's how it is.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Jan 9 2007, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No offense asufan but it was given Amare was not going to be in the playoffs and for that matter most of the year. So it's not like you guys were without him close to the playoffs. It was a given situation. This year is different but that's how it is.</div>That's true, but it still doesn't change the fact that we didn't have our best inside scorer and after that happened there was no chance to get anyone else. Even though it was known he would miss the playoffs he was still a part of the team and a big loss from the season before. And with Kurt out our only good defensive player was 6'7 Shawn Marion, which is why scrubs like Kwame could've dominated us. And with the loss of Amare the Suns had to rely on shooting and they lost one of their better 3-point shooters. Yeah tough luck, Mavs deserved the win in that series but I don't think it means much to outcoach D'Antoni in a situation like that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 9 2007, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's obvious. Take out your interior defenders Damp and Diop, your 2nd best player Josh Howard and one of your starting guards and you guys would not pass the first round. So before anyone talks about the Suns losing to the Mavs or going to 7 against the #7 seed then take the same off of your team and see how it goes for you. I was not really making excuses during playoff time and was rooting for the Mavs all the way in the Finals. But really it's not hard to outcoach someone when the team is riddled with injuries. I didn't even mention Nash's back problems that hurt him in the playoffs and Marion being really beat up and playing through a bunch of small injuries.I know the Suns should've probably worked on getting better depth and the Mavs are better now so it won't be just as easy as just being healthy to beat the Mavs. I'm just saying, it's not really outcoaching someone when there are so many injuries. Just like it's not a big deal to outcoach someone in their first year which is why I don't bring up that playoff series 2 years ago. I think Avery Johnson is a little bit better coach but lets see how they do this year. Our entire coaching staff is pretty darn good but I can't compare since I know nothing about the Mavs coaching staff.</div>Well, remember a few years back, when Dallas had no interior defense, or even a presense at all. They still made the second round, and the WCF's once...So the Mavs without Dirk, Damp, and Diop would still make the second round...and would still be dangerous after that.Just my opinion though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 9 2007, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's true, but it still doesn't change the fact that we didn't have our best inside scorer and after that happened there was no chance to get anyone else. Even though it was known he would miss the playoffs he was still a part of the team and a big loss from the season before. And with Kurt out our only good defensive player was 6'7 Shawn Marion, which is why scrubs like Kwame could've dominated us. And with the loss of Amare the Suns had to rely on shooting and they lost one of their better 3-point shooters. Yeah tough luck, Mavs deserved the win in that series but I don't think it means much to outcoach D'Antoni in a situation like that.</div>It doesn't' matter who is missing to me. The fact that the Suns came out, forced their pace in that first game and came away with the win, means they were good enough to win that series.I think Avery realized that Diop and Damp would be useless in that series, but still was able to force the Suns into a half court offense, something they don't excell at, even now, and by forcing the type of game he wanted, he outcoached D'Antoni.I'm not saying D'Anoni is a bad coach at all, I actually think he's pretty good, but Avery just took that series away from him.By the way, I agree with someone from above that said the Suns are talented and almost any coach would have almost, or even more, of the same success he's had.Hell, I'm sure the Suns would love to have a defenisive intensity minded coach like Avery...it'd turn them into a all time dominant team if you ask me.
Tim Thomas was pretty valuable himself. He made Van Horn start for the first few games. Thank God Avery came to his senses and started Diop after that. Amare out there at least allows the mavs to keep their centers on the court though he will help the suns in other ways like interior defense, rebounding, and in half court sets. Should be a very close series. I think the thing is it's hard to improve the offense much more than last year so having Amare isn't that much of an improvement to having Tim Thomas from an offensive standpoint. It probably helps the suns the most in close games.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marvinmartian @ Jan 9 2007, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It doesn't' matter who is missing to me. The fact that the Suns came out, forced their pace in that first game and came away with the win, means they were good enough to win that series.I think Avery realized that Diop and Damp would be useless in that series, but still was able to force the Suns into a half court offense, something they don't excell at, even now, and by forcing the type of game he wanted, he outcoached D'Antoni.I'm not saying D'Anoni is a bad coach at all, I actually think he's pretty good, but Avery just took that series away from him.By the way, I agree with someone from above that said the Suns are talented and almost any coach would have almost, or even more, of the same success he's had.Hell, I'm sure the Suns would love to have a defenisive intensity minded coach like Avery...it'd turn them into a all time dominant team if you ask me.</div>We are fine with D'Antoni. No reason to do a coaching change when he's doing so well and the defense has been getting better and better every year.Mavsfan-Amare is already averaging 6 more points than Tim Thomas did with us and he's getting better. He gives us an inside scorer that we didn't have last year and gets us to the free throw line where the Suns are one of the best at but couldn't get to last year. Not to mention that he's just much better all-around...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Michael Bryant @ Jan 10 2007, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They ain't complete without strong defense.</div>You don't have to be a defensive-minded team to be complete. Just enough D to where it complements your offense well. When you score as much as the Suns do, the need to play lockdown defense isn't there all the time. The Suns do play defense though. If they didn't they definitely wouldn't have one of the top records in the league. If they didn't play defense, they would just be another entertaing team to watch but would still lose (like the Nets).
Your right...but they have to be go at D at some point.You can't win the championship if you give up 100 points a game.
The reasons they have lost if they have lost was easy missed shots and a few bad turnover games that led to more points for the other team. The Suns can play D when they need to. We don't have anyone to guard Dirk though so a last second shot would not be good, unless we can get someone to come in from behind to deflect it. :shifty2:
^The point is you can't JUST play defense when you need to..the Mavs tried that, and it didn't work. They had to undertake a complete philosophy change to become as good as they are now...and it seems like they are being overlooked in favor of the flavor of the year pick Suns.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marvinmartian @ Jan 12 2007, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^The point is you can't JUST play defense when you need to..the Mavs tried that, and it didn't work. They had to undertake a complete philosophy change to become as good as they are now...and it seems like they are being overlooked in favor of the flavor of the year pick Suns.</div>The Suns play defense regularly, the other team just has about 8-10 more possesions playing against the Suns which translates to about 8 points. I'm just saying if they need to get those stops they will be able to do it. Just when I think I got the last word in. I love you Marvin.
