I don't see any way we keep Yandle unless we move either McD, Staal or Girardi. If they're all here at the DL, then Yandle isn't. As for Nash being traded, I think you could get a lot for him at the DL, more than you could over the summer because if a team feels like he's the missing piece they might be willing to give up young prospects and picks. I'm more interested in going the picks and prospects route at this point unless this team can figure themselves out. I'm tired of these mid level picks that are garbage. I'd be A-ok with this team entering a rebuilding mode, missing the playoffs for 2-3 years but doing it because we're using our young players and drafting well and then going on a long run that way. With what we've been doing, between giving up first after first and picking 25th and lower, we've basically had to get lucky in the drafts.
I'll also add, as much as I like Shatt do we need another dman? We have no O as it is, and we'd deal Nash and add Shatt. Doesn't help us, even though I like Shatt a lot. And you'd still have to get Staal or G to agree to be moved, which I doubt.
We're set a D with McIlrath and Skjei and a cheap vet added to what we already have. No way I'd trade a forward for a dman. That'd be insanely stupid to do unless we moved Yandle and Girardi or Staal. Then it makes sense.
Agree to disagree 94. No shot Nash gets dealt at the DL unless we are out of it, which isn't happening in 6 weeks I don't believe. I do think they could explore a Nash move this summer though if we go out early in the playoffs. That wouldn't shock me at all.
I think it does help us because (1) with Yandle likely gone and Boyle definitely gone, we will have the worst puck moving defense in the entire NHL, and (2) it will free up almost 3.5m against the cap, which is the going rate for a FA in the likes of Justin Williams etc. Grab a FA with that money. Add in Buch coming over and that's two top 9 wingers and a top flight dman for roughly the price of a clearly pussified Rick Nash.
I said it would be a summer deal assuming Yandle is gone and with Boyle definitely gone. I'd like to have at least one dman back there who is a threat with the puck on his stick but maybe I'm just crazy.
I wouldn't be upset with it Prod, I just think it would be real tough for us to add another big ticket item on D if we want balance. Same as we say with Yandle, if we have G and Staal both here still, I don't think we can afford another big ticket dman and have the balance we need. Who knows though...for the first time I do think it is possible we could move Nash if we don't make a run this postseason.
He makes 4.2m per Chuck. That's less than Boyle who has walked off into the sunset in this scenario. We'll have him for a year, and maybe the following offseason we can get out of either Staal or G and resign him.
I do believe any Nash deal would 100% be a summer deal though. For now I will focus on this season, and I say the play is package Hayes and Yandle for a proven scorer. I think that could get it done.
Yeah, but he gets resigned for 5.5 or more per...same situation we're in with Yandle. Me personally I stay away from that unless I know for sure I could deal Staal or G. Anyway, this is all pointless really. No clue if we would deal Nash, no clue if the Blues would deal Shatt, and we all agree that is a summer deal anyway, so no point in speculating in January. I still believe in the team this season IF we can add a proven scorer. Miller is playing well. Kreider has to get better. Hayes and Yandle could get us the guy we need, and we add Buch for depth.
Why can't we speculate? It's fun dude. And yeah he gets resigned a full year away. Maybe at that time Staal or G are ready to move on. Or G finally just crumbles into a pile of dust and we can LTIR him a la Pronger. Or maybe the cap shoots up exponentially. Who knows the deal when he needs to be resigned, all I know is we'd have him for a year at 4.2m. And I think its 95% Shattenkirk gets dealt from reading the reports. I bet the kid would love to come home and play here.
Hockey is built around knowing how to play the boards. As Rangers94 mentioned, this team avoids the boards at all costs. They are not defensively tough. Game in and game out the forwards are ready to exit the defensive zone......... that's why it always looks like they have a very tough time clearing the zone, two D men against 3 forchecking forwards. Their transition game sucks. It's also another reason they are dreadful scoring EN goals.
I don't think Shatt is a Blue long term either, but my guess is that's a summer deal also after they go for one more run. I personally would be concerned about adding another big ticket dman given our current structure and lack of scoring, but I do like Shatt and do think Nash could be dealt this summer if we bow out early in the playoffs. I just think we'd have to move Staal or G for sure AND we'd really need to find a way to add O BIG TIME if we deal Nash, even if Shatt will be 2 mill less long term than Nash is right now long term. Who knows...
First Philly goal CK misses the net and the puck ends up at the Rangers blue line. Klein could have ended the play right there with a soft shove but instead opts to skate by and slowly loaf his way to the goal a stride late. Second PP goal Girardi is on top of the face off circle leaving the front of the net wide open for the tap in. No goalie in the history of the NHL could have stopped either Philly goal. I don't blame Hank for venting to the bench, he's more than earned his salary this year while continually getting hung out to dry by poor defense. I agree Yandle will be traded, not moving him and letting him walk this summer with nothing to show makes no business sense. Some interesting offensive team stats - the Rangers are tied for 4th in the NHL with 2.83 goals per game behind Dallas (3.27), Washington (3.24) and Boston (2.94) but they are 27th in shots per game. Even in today's game I stopped counting after they hit 12 scoring chances that resulted in no shot on goal early in the second period. This falls on AV, he needs to start scratching guys who keep passing up high quality chances for low percentage passes.
I'm with you on your last point for sure panzer. You would think a team that struggles to score against good teams would say F it and realize they need to be dirtier and shoot whenever the chance is there, but this team is always looking for the pretty play and it frustrates the fu*k out of me. With Kreider and Hayes sucking, and a bunch of guys with very little ability to score filling out the lines like Moore, Stalberg, Fast, Glass, and even Lindberg, who has hit the wall hard, it is no surprise we don't score goals in big games against good teams. Frustrating, but is what it is. I would expect a deal for a scoring forward, but who knows what will happen.
We all shit on MSL for being old and done but we never replaced him. The guy had over 50 points last year in the regular season. I know hags had to be moved because of the money issue but he also put up 35 points. Thats almost 90 points between the two.
In the regular season MSL is a loss. He produced in the regular season. The playoffs he was shot though. Hags goals were 5 on 5 or on the PK, so he was a loss there. One that had to happen, no shot we could pay him near 4 mill per, so not upset over it, but still a 5 on 5 and PK loss. With that said we need bigger guys for the playoffs. That's why in theory with Miller, Kreider, Hayes all here we should be better prepared for playoff hockey, but with CK and Hayes sucking we need another forward.
Kreid's starting his breakout today leaving a d-man in his dust at the blue line for beautiful goal and with any luck could have had 2 or 3 other goals. Kid is about to explode. Interesting to watch our D play and when puck is in the corner and 1 d-man in there the only other D-man on the team that protects the front of the net and doesn't join the other guy in the corner is the guy in the press box. Shame kid took a bad penalty that cost us trying to protect hank and he's banished till easter again. Chuck, because Hank gets paid a ton doesn't mean he's expected to make 20 point blank shot saves a game from forwards that are so open in front of our net they could be arrested for indecent exposure. AV is letting his personal player prejudices get in the way of icing our best team which is Dylan on the ice and glass off the ice. None of girardi, klein or boyle are playing well enough on defense to keep this kid who is more than solid defensively knocks the other player off the puck while starting the outlet pass up ice in the press box. And yes I'm a big dylan fan but anyone who has watched him play has to be scratching their head also at what AV is doing with him.
Kreider also missed the net, as he usually does, which directly led to the Flyers first goal. And McIlrath played against the Isles...how did that work out...oh yeah we scored one goal as usual. But yeah the D is awful...LOL. As for Hank, when you pay your goalie by far the most of any goalie in the NHL I think you are saying we need you to be great big fella, and usually Hank is. You could argue considering how much we have spent on D when we have a huge cap hit goalie doesn't make sense. Maybe we should add some guys who can score and rely on Hank to be great. All I know is over the past few years I have read time and time again oh if we could only score goals Hank would have two cups. Or I feel bad for Hank because we don't score for him. I watch us lose to the Kings because we cannot score. Watch us struggle to grind out playoff wins against lesser teams because we cannot score. I watch us get shutout in games 5 & 7 at home in the ECF, again we cannot score. Now I see us scoring 1 and 2 goals a game when we play better teams and the games get bigger/tighter, and yet I read in here the D the D the D over and over again, or McIlrath over and over and over again, when we have 6 or 7 forwards who don't score. I find it funny...sorry but I really do.
