Well considering Avery Johnson has become the fastest coach to reach 100 wins how do you guys think he will rank all time among coaches when he retires? I doubt he will be on the same level as a coach like Red since I doubt he will win as many rings as Red, but I could definetly see him being remembered as on of the greatest of all time.
I think it's way to early to tell. Let's see him go to a bad team, ala Larry Brown, and have some good seasons.
I hate guessing like this because you really can't do it... if I'm going to be Miss Cleo I say he wins 4 titles(2 or 3 with Dallas over 16 total years), gets tons of wins and finishes a top 15 coach all time.
Well, I think he's lucky first and foremost to inherit such a talented team to start with, that could skew his record. He's a good motivator and a player's coach, he also prides on defense. He was definately one of the keys towards Mavericks moving towards defense. But he does have flaws, sub patterns are incoherent sometimes and tends to ride players for long periods despite not playing well. His handling of Harris was like a roller coaster and I felt he went about it wrong. This year, he has admitted to it and has said he will hold back on benching/calling out Devin's mistakes and let him play through it. Shows me he's a young coach learning on the fly but makes great adjustments and that to me is a very good coach. So while now I don't think he's anywhere close to being among the greatest coaches ever, he could very well make his mark in the future. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I think it's way to early to tell. Let's see him go to a bad team, ala Larry Brown, and have some good seasons.</div>He would probably fail like other coaches with bad teams. There's only so much a coach can do with a bad team in the NBA.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jan 3 2007, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well considering Avery Johnson has become the fastest coach to reach 100 wins how do you guys think he will rank all time among coaches when he retires? I doubt he will be on the same level as a coach like Red since I doubt he will win as many rings as Red, but I could definetly see him being remembered as on of the greatest of all time.</div>Avery was the fastest coach to win 100 games because he walked in to an already championship contending team.....If any coach became the coach of the mavs, they would have won nearly as many games, if not the same amount. It is way too early to tell how good of a coach he is going to be, because he hasnt really faced any hardships yet. He has had a great team ever since he has become a coach. If he would have won the championship last year, that would have been one thing, but he didnt. I think that he is a good coach, but I dont know about "one of the greatest of all time".
Judging from his first 2 1/2 seasons he could very well be a legendary coach. He really knows how to work well with his team however the Mavericks are a very good team and it is very early in his career. Re-post this in a decade.
Gotta at least win ONE championship to be considered in the top 5 to top 10 coaches of all time. Hard to say as of now.
Like others said, it's way too early to judge. He may just be riding along with an outstanding team or he may actually be a great coach. Give him some different situations before you judge him. Phil Jackson was succesful in Chicago and L.A. Pat Riley was successful in L.A., N.Y., and Miami. Red Aurchebaug (sp) had to find the perfect balance of players and chemistry every decade for the Celtics. We'll just have to wait and see about Avery Johnson.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jan 3 2007, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Avery was the fastest coach to win 100 games because he walked in to an already championship contending team.....If any coach became the coach of the mavs, they would have won nearly as many games, if not the same amount. It is way too early to tell how good of a coach he is going to be, because he hasnt really faced any hardships yet. He has had a great team ever since he has become a coach. If he would have won the championship last year, that would have been one thing, but he didnt. I think that he is a good coach, but I dont know about "one of the greatest of all time".</div>Woe there...not so quick.Yeah they may have won 50+ games with any coach...but Avery is special, if not all time great...yet.His coaching style, energy, charisma, and defensive intensity changed the culture of a team...something that's not easy to do with a team that has a core that has been together for a few years.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Avery was the fastest coach to win 100 games because he walked in to an already championship contending team.....If any coach became the coach of the mavs, they would have won nearly as many games, if not the same amount.</div>Like Red didn't have a great team? If your going to break that kind of record, your going to be coaching a pretty damn good team at first. That's not taking anything away from Red but no coach is going to win with bad teams.
I agree with Rok and Marvinmartian here. He did start with a great team, but don't be so quick to say he only wins because of that.First, you have to remember that he was coaching the Mavs before he was the head coach of the Mavs. It's not like he just walked in when Nellie quit. He was there before he quit, and the team was responding to him better.Also, yes, this is the only team he's "coached." But when he was with the Spurs, you better believe he was one of the loudest guys out there. I'd have to say he was very instrumental with the Spurs, not only as a player but as a leader and dare I say a psuedo-coach. But yeah, there's no telling whether he's better, the same, or worse than Red. Obviously it is too early to tell, but that doesn't mean you can't have a little fun with it.
Avery Johnson is a great coach, I give him full credit for getting Dallas over the hump. The minute he arrived he started turning Dallas into a much better team. He has them playing defense, he has great chemistry with his players, He is a players coach. In my opinion he took a less talented team to the NBA Finals than Don Nelson had in years past. Does anybody remember when he first took over? Don Nelson resigned and Avery Johnson coached the final 18 games of the season, Dallas went 16-2 in that stretch. He improved every aspect of that team almost right away. That's the one way to see how good of a coach he really is. Watch 18 games during the season before Johnson took over and then watch the final 18 games they played with him coaching. You will see a big difference.Johnson has always been a great leader, He was a great leader when he was playing and he's an even greater leader as a coach.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Avery was the fastest coach to win 100 games because he walked in to an already championship contending team.....If any coach became the coach of the mavs, they would have won nearly as many games, if not the same amount. It is way too early to tell how good of a coach he is going to be, because he hasnt really faced any hardships yet. He has had a great team ever since he has become a coach. If he would have won the championship last year, that would have been one thing, but he didnt. I think that he is a good coach, but I dont know about "one of the greatest of all time".</div>That's where I disagree with you, Don Nelson is a great coach and he didn't have near the same effect that Johnson did. The only coach in the league that could do a better job than Johnson in Dallas is Phil Jackson.
