Interesting video explaining "privilege"

Discussion in 'Blazers OT Forum' started by julius, Jan 16, 2016.

  1. santeesioux

    santeesioux Just keep on scrolling by

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2008
    Messages:
    10,738
    Likes Received:
    5,311
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Trolling the internet
    Location:
    Southern Oregon
    Am I too brown or something? I've never gotten anything due to the whiteness I have.
     
  2. BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94

    BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 AWOL

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2013
    Messages:
    21,056
    Likes Received:
    10,366
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Dude just sign on to the WMTF (White Male Trust Fund).. They'll hook you up with anything you need.
     
  3. dviss1

    dviss1 Emcee Referee

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2011
    Messages:
    29,493
    Likes Received:
    27,342
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I've made my stance on this known from day one. Debating it further with one who doesnt believe it exists or hasn't since Obama became President, is something I really don't choose to do anymore.

    Also, trying to use vernacular that one might assume my kind may not understand is hilarious. I have a full grasp on the English language...
     
  4. MarAzul

    MarAzul LongShip

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2008
    Messages:
    21,370
    Likes Received:
    7,281
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Life is good!
    Location:
    Near Bandon Oregon
    Well let me be very plain. I never heard of the subject prior to Obama. I thought you could give us your take on when the idea began. I would call that the moment of inertia for the idea.
    Then there is a simple case to consider. My white family began in this country, when my parents came with their parents to this country from Scotland and Northern Ireland.
    Dad was a proud to serve in the US Navy but not for all that long, being a casualty of WWII. I was eight years old when I heard he was not coming home.
    I have been supporting myself since I was 16. I also served 6 years with the US Navy and was happy to do so.
    My daughter was denied acceptance at Stanford University for reasons of diversity, even though she was a 4.0 student and Valedictorian of her class.

    I have seen you claim we owe you, but I thought you might have a clear explanation of just why we owe you and what exactly is the privilege that dad and I have had
    that you were denied.
     
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2016
    blue32 likes this.
  5. bodyman5000 and 1

    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2013
    Messages:
    19,582
    Likes Received:
    13,216
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    Could you explain it to this dummy then?
     
  6. bodyman5000 and 1

    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2013
    Messages:
    19,582
    Likes Received:
    13,216
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    Al Roker has done well for himself but it seems he can't get a cab because of his skin. Don't you see how this happens?
     
    dviss1 likes this.
  7. MarAzul

    MarAzul LongShip

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2008
    Messages:
    21,370
    Likes Received:
    7,281
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Life is good!
    Location:
    Near Bandon Oregon
    Geez, I can't remember the last time I took a cab, might have been Tokyo. But I suppose you mean New York,
    wonder what the cab drivers are these days? For that matter, I wonder how he knows it is about his skin?
     
  8. ripcityboy

    ripcityboy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2013
    Messages:
    12,934
    Likes Received:
    10,797
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    self employed
    Location:
    pdx, or, usa.
    Whenever I think of any social injustice that angers people I am reminded of a sobering fact: That is that there are 62 people in this world are richer than over 3.6 billion. We are living in what Max Weber called "the iron cage." The complete separation of the means of production from the working class due to commodification. As much as I want to believe you can still affect mass change, I see what Cornel West called
    "The Demonification of the Poor." It is producing a social inequality that we are is completely oblivious too. You can just turn on TV and see the
    glorification of it in "The Kardashians." As angry as we get at racism, sexism, or any other societal evil, there is also a massive sense of injustice from good old fashioned smug elitism. But we can do nothing about.
     
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2016
  9. bodyman5000 and 1

    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2013
    Messages:
    19,582
    Likes Received:
    13,216
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    He was hailing a cab, cabbie drove right by him to next white guy and then cabbie admitted it. Happens all the time.

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/cab-...-service-to-al-roker_569696ede4b0ce496422dfae
     
  10. Sinobas

    Sinobas Banned User BANNED

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2009
    Messages:
    14,608
    Likes Received:
    5,486
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And how many of taxi drivers are white, or were even born here for that matter?
     
  11. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    28,007
    Likes Received:
    5,012
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    retired Yankee
    Location:
    Beautiful Central Oregon
    Unfortunately, she is talking about something other than privilege.

    Not that there's anything wrong with that, but she should look it up in a dictionary before she starts trying to "educate" people.
     
    MarAzul likes this.
  12. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    28,007
    Likes Received:
    5,012
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    retired Yankee
    Location:
    Beautiful Central Oregon
    MarAzul likes this.
  13. e_blazer

    e_blazer Rip City Fan

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    24,069
    Likes Received:
    30,071
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Consultant
    Location:
    Oregon City, OR
    Of course it was. The driver was most likely Muslim. Obviously, he was looking for a white dude so he could cut off his head. Have you not been paying attention to Trump?
     
    dviss1 likes this.
  14. MarAzul

    MarAzul LongShip

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2008
    Messages:
    21,370
    Likes Received:
    7,281
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Life is good!
    Location:
    Near Bandon Oregon
    Ah! I see. I don't see white privilege in this though. Mahabur Rahman sounds like a guy from the middle east, likely a Muslim. What do you suppose his motive is in saying it was racial preference?

    It been a quite a while now since I have called for Cab, how does it work in New York now? If you call for a cab, is the cab driver required to stop and pickup any black man that hails him instead of going to the call?
     
  15. MarAzul

    MarAzul LongShip

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2008
    Messages:
    21,370
    Likes Received:
    7,281
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Life is good!
    Location:
    Near Bandon Oregon
    I remember the desk clerk in Indianapolis call me cab once, when the cab got to the hotel, there was a ruckus with some guy bitching about his getting to the cab first, but the cabbie took me instead. Was that white privilege?
     
  16. bodyman5000 and 1

    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2013
    Messages:
    19,582
    Likes Received:
    13,216
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    Who knows why? He's scared or believes the stereotype that black people don't tip. I've heard the tip thing a thousand times.

    I have big guy privilege. I hear stories about how people I know are treated by others and I can't relate. I am amazed at the things people say to those they aren't afraid of.
     
  17. MarAzul

    MarAzul LongShip

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2008
    Messages:
    21,370
    Likes Received:
    7,281
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Life is good!
    Location:
    Near Bandon Oregon
    I think big guy advantage is what you have. Nothing wrong with that.
     
  18. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    123,068
    Likes Received:
    143,073
    Trophy Points:
    115
    On January 13th, a group of HELLS ANGELS, California bikers were riding along Colorado Street in Pasadena when they saw a girl about to jump off Pasadena's Suicide Bridge. So they stopped. John, their leader, a big burly man of 53, gets off his Harley, walks through a group of gawkers, past the State Trooper who was trying to talk her down off the railing, and says, "Hey Baby . . . whatcha doin' up there on that railin'?" She says tearfully, "I'm going to kill myself!!" While he didn't want to appear "sensitive," John also didn't want to miss this "be-a-legend" opportunity either so he asked, "Well, before you jump, Honey-Babe . . . why don't you give ol' John here your best last kiss?" So, with no hesitation at all, she leaned back over the railing and did just that . . . and it was a long, deep, lingering kiss followed immediately by another even better one. After they breathlessly finished, John gets a big thumbs-up approval from his biker-buddies, the onlookers, and even the State Trooper, and then says, "Wow! That was the best kiss I have ever had! That's a real talent you're wasting there, Sugar Shorts. You could be famous if you rode with me. Why are you committing suicide?" She explained, "My parents don't like me dressing up like a girl." It's still unclear whether she jumped or was pushed.
     
    dviss1, Further, PtldPlatypus and 3 others like this.
  19. bodyman5000 and 1

    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2013
    Messages:
    19,582
    Likes Received:
    13,216
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    It's just a term people who care about made up. Kinda hard to decide what is and what isn't because of this or that. I'll just say that Louis CK is dead on. White people aren't better, being white is. It's pretty obvious for the most part. There are usually exceptions to stuff and I could name some now but why bother?
     
  20. MarAzul

    MarAzul LongShip

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2008
    Messages:
    21,370
    Likes Received:
    7,281
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Life is good!
    Location:
    Near Bandon Oregon
    You see, you used the word better and then implied it again, refuting judgement and then passing judgement. I seem to sense privilege is also being used is the same way, to pass judgement.

    Well, lets see some actual facts, like 40" inch legs are and advantage playing basketball. Short legs, relative to body, is an advantage in swimming (more like a dolphin). The list here could go on and on but the word better does not apply in the universal sense. Advantage does in specific cases. Privilege makes no sense until you start speaking of Europe, where privilege does indeed follow status. In this country a few probably do have privilege, most of the time it is advantages. Staying in most of the better hotels will get you a cab to the door as apposed to taking your chances hailing a cab. Selecting the right Hotel can be an advantage.

    We often overlook the usefulness of complementary in favor of hard count where diversity is scored, or in favor of advantages where the desired advantage artificially suggest a binary choice. More education in the field of team building can open the way for complementary staffing rather than completely relying on competitive filtering. The composite end result is more often than not, greater than the sum of the parts.

    I suppose I will draw fire here, but what the hell. I had a black guy on my International projects team. He was not there to satisfy my diversity numbers. He was on the initial negotiating team, and on the project revue team. The first time I took him to England to negotiate a proposed joint project, he asked me Why I took him on this trip. We were sitting in a quaint place, a Thatch Roofed Hotel lounge out in the Country side, near the southern English city of Winchester. Anyway I took another sip of the wonderful English Bitters and thought about what to say. It didn't take long, he provided the answer, You took me along to make um Dance!. I couldn't have said it better. Many Black men often have the advantage of rhythm in more than one sense.
    I replied, yes, Sir! I think you have it. We were successful that trip too. He was also very good at keeping project revues rolling. They often turn into a mesmerizing bore without the right people and most nerd white people sorely lack the advantage needed. Complementary teaming makes the difference.
     
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2016

Share This Page