The duplication of Dame and CJ

Watching him against Portland I thought Noel played great defense, but I would want a scoring SF back in return for CJ.
I think it is easier finding bigs who can defend but are not a threat offensively....like Noel, than guards as good as CJ.

 

Did you see my post on the previous page? That's a losing proposition when your two best players can't perform at their full potential simultaneously because of the redundancy. Winning teams are able to roll out their five best players at the end of the game. Fantasy stats don't cut it in real life.

 

Yeah I saw it. I just don't agree with it. Even if CJ is not at his full potential at the end of games while playing with Dame......who will be? Someone who is taller that is a catch and shoot player? We have that in Crabbe, and I want Crabbe in there too. You need multiple players on the court that can dribble, or they will just trap Dame. So even though CJ may not be at his full potential when Dame has the ball, it allows Dame to be......

 

Let's not forget this is CJs first meaningful minutes this season. The guy is still learning on the fly.
Trading him now could end up being a rash move (of Jermaine O'Neal proportions)

 

Exactly. And the CJ-Dame combination is even more of a new thing. Barely a half season if you count injuries. Give it another year.

 

If CJ would be fine coming off the bench, Id rather do that, But I think he would rather be traded to remain a starter at this point. He has had a good taste of blood and doesnt want anything else now.

 

Agree with previous posts that it seems CJ is more comfortable with the ball in his hands.
I'd like to see CJ at the point more, and have Lillard play the 2G more frequently. Perhaps have Lillard coming off of screens for spot ups more often.

 

So, the solution is to get even worse defensively, so we can get all our offensive players in simultaneously, even though only two-thirds of them can operate at once?

Crabbe is an up-and-comer, but his current level of play is a huge drop off from CJ's. If the better roster balance solution is to come from players currently on the team, then we're screwed in the short-term. A roster shake-up is the only viable solution, as far as I'm concerned.

 

CJ+?? for Boogie. I would do it.

 

How exactly would be getting worse defensively? That is our ending line up now. Yes, at the end of games I think we should surround Dame with 2 other shooters, plus either (Davis, Plums, and/or Aminu) And it looks like Terry agrees with me when he plays Crabbe at SF. Of course it depends on the match ups, but he is pretty good at it.

As far as a roster shake up, why do it now? If they make the playoffs with what we have....fine. If they don't, that is fine too......we get our pick. Why do you want to trade right now. What is the rush? Let this year play out. Then we could have a lottery pick and FA's to help next year.

 

Is that consistently the closing line-up? I'm not really sure... I feel like I've seen an even mix of Crabbe, Aminu, Harkless, Plumlee, Davis, and Leonard filling the other three spots alongside Dame and CJ.

Let me rephrase that, then. It can't get worse defensively than two bad defenders and one mediocre defender at the guard/wing positions, if that what it takes to get your best players on the floor together.

Where did I say it needs to be done right now? I think it should be done sooner rather than later, if a good offer is available, but there's no reason whatsoever to make a bad trade. It's inevitable that a move has to be made for this group of players to be upper tier successful, so you also have to weigh the possibility of lost value by waiting too long. Fire sales are never profitable.

 

I know the solution guys, trade them both.

 

Trade Tunchi to the Lakers Forum for the Blazers right to swap 2089 2nd round picks

 

Kings and Nets both lose....

 

Not possible without giving up Dame. But why would we want both Lopez and Cousins on the same team? (While keeping Plumlee, no less) We would get murdered on defense starting two slow footed centers. Not like we aren't already anyways, but I think getting one is more than enough, and would leave a better balanced roster.

I wouldn't trade CJ for Lopez but if there's some sort of deal that trades CJ for Cousins, obviously I think you go for it. I doubt Sacramento is actually looking to trade him though, and if they do I think they can find better offers by shopping him around.

 

On a side note, I'm looking at that deal and I think RHJ is the best young "prospect" in the trade, over McLemore, Vonleh and Leonard.....and he's going to the Blazers. There's no chance Brooklyn would be including him the deal. Blazers get three of the four most valuable pieces in the deal.

I like Mase, but I think Brooklyn wins the trade in the end. RHJ is injured right now, but Brooklyn has outscored the other team when he's been on the floor, and is by all accounts a lockdown defender already. PLUS, they've got him for 4 years in a rookie deal. His lack of a jumpshot is concerning, but start him alongside 4 shooters like Dame/CJ/RHJ/Aminu/Meyers and I think our defense improves.

 

Part of 'when' to trade has to do with a players contact status. CJ is coming up on a contract decision very soon and Meyers is already a Restricted FA.

Olshey likes Lottery players than can be had for a good deal and he may see Meyers and CJ becoming very expensive with all this cap space available. I doubt anything happens with CJ at the trade deadline but this summer might be a different story.

I'm still waiting on 6 3" SG's as stars to be the norm. If that were the case, I might feel better about this going forward. Right now, it seems part of the duplicating problem