PCC "Whiteness History Month"

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  1. riverman

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    I think these color genres are actually slowing integration down. I have a Lakota Sioux maternal grandmother and now a Taiwanese wife...my way of dealing with it has been to keep mixing the gene pool until we're all just indistinguishable racially..and I don't preach it. Won't happen in my lifetime anyway. We all have a common relative....Ghengis Khan or further back, Ethiopian Lucy...humans are chameleons and change color with the weather....I change color with the seasons. I think class structure and it's place in history is a good subject. Racism is often a distraction from classism. The cast system in India is horrible. We change unless we define ourselves so rigidly that our differences become some habitual rule of conduct..shake it up, ignore it and it might just go away
     
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    I think the same thing about music...get rid of the damned genres and then a good song is just a good song
     
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    On a different note: college is such a waste of time and money anyway. You should be there 2 years tops to learn a craft. And they offer so many bullshit degrees that no one can do anything with.
     
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    I'm glad that you agree with yourself.
     
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    There are only 2 genres of music:

    1. Good music.

    2. Shit that sucks.
     
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    College is what you do with it...it's not a degree that matters, it's the knowledge you seek with the time you're there. My son is a grad with a degree in sports physical science and it's given him a boost..he got an academic scholarship so it was not expensive. Lillard has a marketing degree and CJ has a degree in journalism. It just depends on your value system. You're right though, it's not necessary.
     
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    It's important to do that
     
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    fixed ..it wasn't necessary to use the reply there..good catch
     
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    I know, I was just teasing you!
     
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    The problem is though, the way society is set up now, you do need that "piece of paper". You could self-educate yourself in many of these things, and come out being much more skilled/knowledgable than someone who got the $80,000 piece of paper, but companies won't hire you unless you have experience. Kids should be getting their "general studies" done in HS. College should be about focusing on your skill and doing appreticeships.

    I have all sorts of interests, geography, physics, history...and I can learn about them whenever I want to by buying a used text book for $15 bucks and watching documentaries or lectures posted online. If you want to learn about something it's easy to do, it doesn't need to be through a university.
     
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    I, by the way, do have a 4 year degree, so I'm speaking from experience. I had to take so many lame courses. And I wasn't really prepared for the field I went into. I've learned almost everything on the fly!
     
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    Online, or Bible college? What was your major? Taking 4 years to get an A.A. doesn't count.
     
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    Oh, you're quite the masterbaiter aren't you?
     
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    No really, what was your major? Mine was accounting, just so I don't sound like I want info without giving any myself.
     
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    College is for the experience as much or more than for getting a job. And great jobs can be obtained via hard work instead of study. My brother-in-law never went past high school but is super geeked by tech. His parents were broke and abusive. He now has a wonderful family and makes more than $250,000/year. But, he is the exception. I know plenty of people who have doctorates and make $80K and a few that make many times that. A lot has to do with priorities and ones willingness to work like a whore doing stuff they don't enjoy. One of my best friends hates his job as a very successful financial advisor but has kids and is happy to go through shit to support his family. He is hoping to have enough to retire by 55, but that's going to be difficult as long as he keeps living according to his means.

    I have two degrees, one in Business Administration and the other in Biology. I hated business and enjoyed science for a while but tired of it. I have never made a lot of money, but I've been comfortable for the past decade. I am back in school, learning a new craft, but it's not a waste of my past education. I have one life, I plan to keep it interesting.

    Learning the info from a book, online or in college can all be a waste or a gem depending on how devoted you are to the apprehension of the knowledge and depending on how much long term pleasure you derive from that method. Personally, I could read all sorts of books about winemaking and get an entry-level job as a cellar hand at some winery and at the end of a couple years probably be in a similar position in the job market. But this has been the best fucking year of my adulthood, and I would have missed out on all the wonderful aspects that are intrinsically tied to being in school. The friends you make, the connections you make, the experiences you garner, the success you experience and the defeats you overcome. Yes, this is a trade school which you are advocating for, but all the same could apply to regular college programs too, especially in fields I'm not currently interested in.

    The trick that I'm learning, regardless of if it's via online, CC, college or beyond is to make the day to day aspects of your decisions something to cherish. It's so easy to feel overworked, underpaid, unappreciated, undervalued, and those may all be true, but if you can find a way to harness some no-shit real ass pride and joy from that same work, then your life becomes great. I spent all day today doing bottling for a local winery, it tiring, physical work, and I did it just to help out some winemakers I know who are eeking by. All the people helping today (bottling is a 1 or 2 day a year gig) did it for free just to help out. At the end of the day, as a thank you, they gave me 9 bottles of wine. But I had a smile the whole day. I found joy in helping, I found pride in working, I found respect in going home tired and I made new friends and strengthened existing friendships by working my ass off today. And tomorrow, I'll be in class all day. On thursday I'll be in class some of the day and helping with some vineyard work in the afternoon. And once again, on my weekend I'll be working both days and studying for tests. And loving all of it. Go to CC, College or start your own food cart, just fucking enjoy the hard work.
     
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    You are correct, but actually you can use a university rather cheaply by using their library services. Say you want to study a field like Agriculture. Go to the library and ask for all the books involved in getting a degree in Agriculture. They will give you their list, then you can buy them there or where ever you can find them the least costly.
    I did the Ag thing at UC Davis, and Naval Architecture at the US Coast Guard Academy. I just bought the books at the same time from Davis. The Naval Architecture took years to assemble all the books but far more than the school uses.

    One can do the study then go get the degree if you need, ought to be able to do it much faster and less costly. With the internet making information so much easier to get, Universities are questionable use of time and money in my view. The best classes I ever had were not in the Universities, the navy class for Fire Control was developed at MIT and taught by Fire Controlman. It was like drinking from a fire hose, but and outstanding class. The other great class was IBM's management school, sequestered away, out in a private village in the Connecticut countryside. Again intense 14 hour days for about eight weeks. The point here is, not paying for this classes except in time, the employer footing the bill.
     
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    They should teach The Ghenghis Khan Gene Theory in college (not this shit.) That would be a little more profound to teens than any ideas or grand notions of racial identification....

    "You mean that guy carried the genetic profile of over a billion people IN HIS NUTS!!!!" Wow! This IS worth a lifetime of manufactured debt!"

    "Sure is."

    "I feel the NEED to pillage baby."


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    A degree is like a driver's license. You don't have to get one but if you have one, you'll compete in the job market against folks who can't drive and if that fails, you can put together a string of 24 week syllabus programs and shop around for a teaching position. Easier to teach when you're 50 than to frame houses.
     
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    They you go again! I always get this stuff backward! Before I was 50, I hired my houses framed. Didn't do my first one on my own until I was well over 50.
    Geez! How long does it take to get it right?
     
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    I'm going on 62 and still learn all the time. Proud holder of a library card. My parents grew up in the great depression.. Dad became a successful businessman and dairy farmer with an 8th grade education. He accumulated more knowledge in his life than I probably ever will. Whatever gives you joy in life, that's the path. I taught English to the president of a bank overseas for awhile and he hated his life...all he ever wanted to do was be a chef. Now he owns a restaurant
     

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