Would you go all-in on the playoffs?

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  1. Red Rooster

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    And the draft is the ONLY way in your mind? The odds of hitting draft pick lottery jackpot is just as low as acquiring a player that meets your requirments. On top of that, you want the team to adopt a losing mentality to do so, instead of playing ball together. This isn't a video game.
     
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    People keep saying this, but I don't think it's necessarily true. I think it's entirely possible that a lotto pick could perform just as well as, if not better than, Aminu. From all accounts RHJ would be outperforming Aminu, and he was a mid-20s pick in a weak draft (if I recall correctly, which perhaps I'm not).
     
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    Ed Davis is as good as Faried.

    Hell we could likely trade for Brook Lopez. He was an all star a couple years ago. If we make the playoffs we'll have a chance at signing Derozen (all-star) or Whiteside (All-Star Level). But you want us to miss so that we can "acquire the talent" of Jakob Poeltl or Deontae Davis just because we need all stars? You think they're future all stars? HAHAHA
    You really are on some bullshit. CJs having a better year than Crawford ever had. He's already miles ahead of him but you say he might eventually reach his level? That's comical.
    And yet you wanna tank to draft another one?
     
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    Whoa whoa whoa - if this isn't a straw man post I don't know what is.
    Nobody is saying "tank for the pick" - we're saying develop our players and let the chips fall where they may.
    And nobody is saying that a draft pick is going to put us over the hump - we're saying needlessly losing an asset at this stage will be a hindrance to continued improvement.
    And as for FA vs Draft - Olshey has a MUCH better track record with draftees than signees. I think the chances of getting a good player in the draft far outweigh the chances of getting a good Free Agent.
     
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    You gotta be kidding me. You're taking this Aminu hate to a new level.
     
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    RHJ is injured so he definitely wouldn't be outperforming Aminu. He's only played 18 games and averaged 5 points and 6 rebounds with virtually no three point shooting in those games.
     
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    Damn! Bones is layin' some smack on you cats! Lol.
     
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    Prior to the injury, RHJ's advanced stats were better than Aminu's pretty much across the board.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    What's wrong with you? You can't read or something? I said EASIEST.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Go look up their stats at basketball-reference.com. Go ahead. I'll wait.
     
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    Yes, people are saying they'd want to tank for a pick. Read any thread about the playoffs and anyone who would be disappointed if we made it is saying they want to tank. There's not a ton of people (unless they're each 300lbs) but there's way more than none.

    Olshey has an even better record with trades (*cough* Chris Paul *cough*) than with draftees or signings.
     
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    I don't really look at advanced stats much but I just checked and there's not that much of a difference. The biggest difference I see is that RHJ was 1 for 5 on threes in 18 games, so he's not a threat from outside at all.
     
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    I haven't seen RHJ play - so I'm not saying that it's true. But from what people on this board have said, it sounds like he's a true lock down defender. Perhaps that's not true, though?
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I'm at work. Youtube is blocked.
     
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    http://bkref.com/tiny/MFAp9

    Maybe not miles ahead like BonesJones said, but CJ is definitely better. That's using Crawford at the same age (although with two years of extra NBA experience), but CJ is at least just as good as Crawford at his best.
     
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    Link?
     
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    No, not much of a difference. But as a rookie, RHJ's were better than Aminu's in his 6th year in the league, at 1/5 the cost. And the point of pointing this out was to counter the notion that a late-lotto pick won't be able to contribute meaningfully until 2-3 years down the road. A late first round pick from last year's "weak draft" would easily be contributing meaningfully on this team right now. Based on that, it is reasonable to assume that a #10 pick this summer could similarly contribute as a rookie next season.
     
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    For what it's worth:
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    Thank you. Even if the example wasn't great, the point remains. And in hindsight, the example wasn't that bad.
     
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