<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Jan 4 2007, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not really, Barbosa can create shots for himself.</div>Nobody on the Suns roster creates shots for themselves, nobody at all.
Right now IMO it is definitely Gordon. He is leading the Bulls in scoring AND he is coming off the bench. That right there is pretty amazing. If he starts before the season ends then it will go to Barbosa.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jan 4 2007, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nobody on the Suns roster creates shots for themselves, nobody at all.</div>Barbosa does, Amare does, Diaw does...and like Valo said, Nash's assists at most account for 33 of everyone else's points and I know all 11 of those assists aren't 3 pointers so it's more like 27 points. So 65-70 points comes from the players doing something without Nash.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Nobody on the Suns roster creates shots for themselves, nobody at all.</div>I suppose Steve Nash doesn't create for himself? Jalen Rose, Kurt Thomas, Leandro Barbosa, Raja Bell, Shawn Marion, Amare, ect the list could go on. They all can create for themselves.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jan 4 2007, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nobody on the Suns roster creates shots for themselves, nobody at all.</div>I'm just guessing you've never seen the Suns play.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Jan 4 2007, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I suppose Steve Nash doesn't create for himself? Jalen Rose, Kurt Thomas, Leandro Barbosa, Raja Bell, Shawn Marion, Amare, ect the list could go on. They all can create for themselves.</div>was the question can? the question is do they?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Jan 4 2007, 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes they do. They all did it before Steve Nash arrived and they still do it now.</div>do you remember how bad the suns were before Nash? They had 12 players who tried to create shots for themselves, none of them could, they were a horrible team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jan 4 2007, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>do you remember how bad the suns were before Nash? They had 12 players who tried to create shots for themselves, none of them could, they were a horrible team.</div>Maybe that's because we lost our point guard after 30 some games and Amare missed a lot of games because of injuries...
What does the Suns record have to do with creating their own shots? Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudemire were still 20 ppg scorers without Nash. Seattle has a horrible record, I guess Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis can't create their own shots.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Jan 4 2007, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What does the Suns record have to do with creating their own shots? Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudemire were still 20 ppg scorers without Nash. Seattle has a horrible record, I guess Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis can't create their own shots.</div>I'm telling you that the players were trying to create shots but they couldn't so therefore they had a bad record. Marion and Stoudamire took enough shots to score 20. Ray and Rashard can but that's not the reason why their team is bad.
Shawn Marion's shots per game before Nash arrived: 16Shawn Marion's shots per game with Nash: 15Amare Stoudemires shots per game before Nash arrived: 16Amare Stoudemires shots per game with Nash: 11Next logically explanation?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Jan 4 2007, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Shawn Marion was taking 16 shots per game before Nash arrived, He's taking 15 per right now. Amare was taking 16 shots per game before Nash arrived, He's taking 11 right now.Next logically explanation?</div>see, both players are taking better shots now with Nash, they're taking less shots and scoring the same (often more). you just proved yourself wrong in your own post.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Next logically explanation?</div>PacersFan doesn't have any logical explainations.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>see, both players are taking better shots now with Nash, they're taking less shots and scoring the same (often more). you just proved yourself wrong in your own post.</div>Good god, I give up. I was proving the fact that you said the only reason they were scoring 20 points is because they were taking a lot of shots. They are nearly taking the exact same amount right now which makes your logic incorrect.I give up, You don't understand anything.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jan 4 2007, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>see, both players are taking better shots now with Nash, they're taking less shots and scoring the same (often more). you just proved yourself wrong in your own post.</div>ARE YOU RETARDED??? They had no good PG the year before they got Nash. Of course having a true PG helps. It doesn't mean they can't create for themselves. Amare has a great combination of explosiveness and post moves. How are you gonna say he can't create for himself. That comment is just idiotic.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Jan 4 2007, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Good god, I give up. I was proving the fact that you said the only reason they were scoring 20 points is because they were taking a lot of shots. They are nearly taking the exact same amount right now which makes your logic incorrect.I give up, You don't understand anything.</div>16 to 15 isn't muchbut 16 to 11 is a lotwhen they're scoring the same and often more it just shows how good Nash is and how important he isI don't know why you guys don't understand this.
PacersFan has done it again. He completely got us off topic from 6th man of the year to can the Suns create shots for themselves, which is completely retarded because of course they can.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jan 4 2007, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>16 to 15 isn't muchbut 16 to 11 is a lotwhen they're scoring the same and often more it just shows how good Nash is and how important he isI don't know why you guys don't understand this.</div>Dude Amare was only in his 2nd season in the NBA before Nash came. He was 21 years old and still getting better. He had no true PG to dish it down to him. Of course he's gonna ahve higher shot attempts. The next season he just broke out. Yes Nash was a part of it but it doesn't mean he was the only reason for it. Do you think if that you have a true PG like Nash who makes the plays that means the other players can't create for themselves or something? You make no sense at all. Liek Balla already said the most points combined Nash can account for is 33 of the players points. Whata bout the other 70 points? I mean god damn just watch the Suns and stop being and Steve Nash's dick.
