On the money Mess. Hockey is the one sport that an 8 seed beating a 1 seed is not that uncommon. Look at the kings a couple years ago winning the cup as an 8th seed. You need a hot goalie(hank) and a healthy team which we unfortunately never seem to have once we're in the playoffs. We'll be in the playoffs. What we do from there who the hell knows.
Some of you are missing the point. That point is that this team freaking sucks built as is. 5 under .500 in over its last 20 games. Stop living in a fantasy world. The roster must be broken down and build differently.
Yea but who is to say if they get in they can't get hot like the Kings did? I do agree dump, we need a few different players. First and foremost McIlrath suing every night
but Struds, over the past 24gms what signs have we seen that would make us think they could do that? the play has been so poor over that span (30% of the season) that it's almost unrealistic to think they can jsut go on a tear come playoff time. We're not talking about a poor couple of weeks, but rather a large period of time with those struggles. Changes HAVE to be made.
We need to make a couple of changes for sure. This team as is will not winning a cup. We need to add a legit scoring forward for sure. That would be a start, then we can go from there.
The situation is by no means hopeless. The Yandle trade must be the right trade. However, there has to be another big trade. Whether it's getting one of the NTC players to waive and agree to be moved. Or it's rolling the dice and moving a player like Stepan. Point is, this team can't compete with the Craps, Hawks or even Isles or Kings. I hate all those teams. I despise the Craps. However, I can admit it was dumb luck Holtby fanned on that Kreider shot to save their asses. The Craps are much, much, better than last year. This team has regressed. It's not rocket science to see the Rangers don't match up right now.
Have to think Yandle ends up in L.A. The freakin GM loves that dude. D. King makes a ton of sense. They have a right handed defenseman prospect in Erik Cernak that fits the Rangers like a glove. Sounds like an 18 year old Girardi.
Yea, saw too many King, Kings in there. Yea he would help. Won 2 cups. Maybe Nash will go on a tear this postseason... Opposite of what he normally does
Want more than King obviously. However, he's the type of forward we need to match up with teams like the Craps a lot better.
Whether it is King or a King type, I do agree we need a gritty guy who can score goals to round out this team. I agree with dump here.
Rumor out on hockeybuzz is Yandle and a high prospect for Shattenkirk. Makes a ton of sense. A 1 for 1 makes more sense
Doesn't really makes sense and makes sense. Can't work with the Rangers from a cap view. So that doesn't make sense. Shattenkirk grew up a Rangers fan. My guess is he comes here anyway as a UFA in 2 years. He's a righty shot. High prospect? Who? They can't possibly want to give up Buchnevich. I wouldn't give up Skjei or Graves. Could it be they are targeting McIlrath as a righty replacement?
It could work if some money is retained, but I am kind of with you dump. Prod brought up Shatt a few weeks back and we had a good discussion on him. I would love him here, but the fit concerns me. We already have all these dmen locked up so how does Shatt fit? That is kind of why we are dealing Yandle in the first place (although I do think Shatt is clearly a better dman overall). So I wouldn't be upset if a deal brought Shatt here, but I would wonder how we end up with a balanced team if we add another big ticket dman, same reason we cannot keep Yandle. I would think Yandle, if he goes, would have to go for a forward.
Only thing I can think of from a prospect point of view is goalie Shesterkin. Blues always have these half ass goalies put up big stats in the regular season only to get lit up like a torch in the post season. Rangers have 3, really good goalie prospects. That might be something the Blues are interested in. People getting on Halverson this year are dumb. The OHL as a league plays no defense and his team sucks. His numbers are actually good considering how bad his team blows. This kid Huska they drafted got mad respect in the world juniors.
In a Shatt deal I would be more focused on his fit here, how does it work cap wise with Staal/G/McD/Klein all locked in, then I am with who a potential prospect would be. I'm certainly no cap expert, but I don't think it makes sense for us to add another big ticket dman unless we can move Staal or G. I would be very concerned about our ability to have team balance if we add another big ticket dman to go with a big ticket goalie. Just my opinion though.
Along goalie lines, how has Skapski been this year? Havent seen him play but his numbers are awful. I do know he had significant offseason surgery so he may not be up to speed. As for Shattenkirk (can we please not call him Shatt), I would LOVE this kid. He's only signed for one more year (next year at 4.2m), so it's not like we're adding another big ticket dman long-term considering he makes less than Boyle. When his contract is up after next year it will also be Girardi's 4th year of his extension, meaning his trade protection significantly lessens. Maybe we can get out of his contract at that time and find a way to keep Shattenkirk in the fold. From a Blues perspective though, I dont know why they would do this. They still have another year of Shattenkirk. The only reason they are (very likely) trading him is that with Pietrangelo (6.5m per) and Boumeester both with monster deals, they can't afford more big money on their blueline. The prospect we throw in would have to be very, very attractive for them to take on Yandle as part of the package as they likely won't be keeping him. I also havent heard anything about Shattenkirk moving in-season, all the buzz seems to be it will be an offseason deal. Depending how the rest of this season goes and what happens with Yandle I still like Nash for Shattenkirk on draft day.
I think we'd be in the same spot we are now with Yandle. I would LOVE Kirk here also...I agree 10000000000000% Prod, but it is a risk I think with these other big dmen here. We'd have 4 dmen with 4 mill + cap hits next season. After next season he'd take a big jump up well over 5 mill per. Here is the scoop on Girardi: Larry Brooks confirmed with Dan Girardi's agent that Girardi has a no-move clause for the first three years of his contract. (NY Post) Girardi is in year two of his six-year contract with a cap hit of $5.5 million. In the final three years of Girardi's deal he has a limited no-trade clause where he could be traded to 15 teams. (NY Post) So after next season we could deal G to 15 teams, but we are playing with fire a little bit. With all that said I would never be upset if we added a dman like Kirk. I am not sure we have a match though, because I don't see why the Blues would want Yandle for him. And I would think this would be an off-season deal like you do Prod. And lastly if we deal Yandle, and unless we are in some awesome position or on some great roll as we lead into the trade DL he will get dealt, I much rather have a forward than another dman. I think that is the bigger need. I do agree with a lot of what you say though Prod.
