Can AL make a case for Most Improved Player?

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    I think it's possible. Here's a look...2005-200659 games (7 starts) 7.9 PPG5.1 RPG0.8 BPG49% FG64% FTso far in 2006-200729 games (15 starts)13.7 PPG9.8 RPG1.4 BPG51% FG69% FTHe's improved in pretty much every aspect of his game and also his stats have been climbing and climbing since the beginning of the season and since he's been starting. He's been a double-double machine ever since he started. He's averaged 16.2 PPG, 11.4 RPG, and 1.5 BPG since he's been a starter. That's Dwight Howard numbers. Like I said, there's still a ton of games left to be played.
     
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    there's a possibility. I don't know how much this really plays a factor, but he lost a ton of weight in the offseason and that could make a difference. :dunno:if he can get his average up to a double-double, I'd say he will atleast be on the ballot.
     
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    Not over Boozer, Randolph, therye really heating up.
     
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    nor over walton and kevin martin. Theres too many good improving players that he isnt doing well enought to get it.
     
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    Monta Ellis, anybody? Leandro Barbosa?

    I think Big Al might be a top 5 candidate, but I don't think he'll actually win the award. He's averaging a near double-double on the season, and like 16 and 12 as a starter. However, there are a ton of young guys that have stepped up big time this year, and if I had to pick the award winner as of right now, I'd probably go with Monta Ellis or Kevin Martin.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Not over Boozer, Randolph, therye really heating up.</div>Randolph's already had a 20 and 10 season and Boozer has had seasons similar to that. His jump isn't that significant. They usually give this award to somebody who wasn't a significant player and then jumps into a major role on a team. Boozer and Randolph were clearly already main options for their teams.You can definately make a case for Walton and Kevin Martin but I still think Jefferson has a chance. He has been putting up huge numbers lately and his stats continue to climb where I know for a fact Martin's have gone down a little.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ Jan 4 2007, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Randolph's already had a 20 and 10 season and Boozer has had seasons similar to that. His jump isn't that significant. They usually give this award to somebody who wasn't a significant player and then jumps into a major role on a team. Boozer and Randolph were clearly already main options for their teams.You can definately make a case for Walton and Kevin Martin but I still think Jefferson has a chance. He has been putting up huge numbers lately and his stats continue to climb where I know for a fact Martin's have gone down a little.</div>Carlos Boozer2005-06 Season Stats:16.3 PPG8.6 RPG2.7 AST2006-07 Season Stats:21.7 PPG11.7 RPG3 ASTNo he didnt improve much at all. Not to mention he was also a key part of the Jazz offense this season. Still, he didnt improve much.You also pulled the Randolph one out of your ass, he was averaging 18 and 8 last year. Now hes averaging 24 and 10.
     
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    David Lee could be thrown into the mix as well. AL has done a great job, but he's got a lot of tough competition.
     
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    Hakim Warrick, Kevin Martin, Andrew Bynum, Carlos Boozer, Leonardo Barbosa, Monta Ellis...all guys that are in line to win this.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You also pulled the Randolph one out of your ass, he was averaging 18 and 8 last year. Now hes averaging 24 and 10.</div>Ok so his stats are clearly better, it's almost guaranteed that he will start to fall off knowing his atittude. He already won this award in 2003-2004 already, so pull that one out of your ass. Also do you really think they would give the award to a player who was told to leave the team last year? And almost didnt even get let back on the team this season. Also Boozers jump in stats are pretty much the same as AL J's. It's just AL J hasn't had as good as seasons as Boozer has in the past. Look at the people who win this award. They don't give it to proven solid players, they give it to people who average like 5 points a game on season, then break out and average like 20 points the next season. Boozer and Randolph clearly won't win the award.Also all I was saying is AL J has a chance, I didn't say he had the award locked up and it was guaranteed.
     
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    too many players like Kevin Martin to make a case..he's definitely honorable mention and has improved A LOT this year...they will look at #s but you cant tell me theres any other players out there who worked harder to stay in shape and improve their gamehe lost 30 pounds and doubled his rebound & points numbers
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ Jan 4 2007, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok so his stats are clearly better, it's almost guaranteed that he will start to fall off knowing his atittude. He already won this award in 2003-2004 already, so pull that one out of your ass. Also do you really think they would give the award to a player who was told to leave the team last year? And almost didnt even get let back on the team this season. Also Boozers jump in stats are pretty much the same as AL J's. It's just AL J hasn't had as good as seasons as Boozer has in the past. Look at the people who win this award. They don't give it to proven solid players, they give it to people who average like 5 points a game on season, then break out and average like 20 points the next season. Boozer and Randolph clearly won't win the award.Also all I was saying is AL J has a chance, I didn't say he had the award locked up and it was guaranteed.</div> But Al hasnt become a 1st or even 2nd chance option. Boozer has. He also ranked 2nd, on the Race to the MVP right under Steve Nash himself.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Shall we then?:2005-06 - Boris Diaw, Phoenix2004-05 - Bobby Simmons, Los Angeles Clippers2003-04 - Zach Randolph, Portland2002-03 - Gilbert Arenas, Golden State2001-02 - Jermaine O'Neal, Indiana2000-01 - Tracy McGrady, Orlando1999-00 - Jalen Rose, IndianaSome of those players suck serious ass.</div>What in god's name are you talking about? They don't suck? And if you're being sarcastic, why? I said look at the people who win this award, they have a tremendous jump in stats after putting up a few seasons of basketball of low stats. 99-00 T-Mac averaged 15-6-3 45% 27%00-01 T-Mac averaged 26-7-5 45% 35%Arenas went from 10-3-3 to 18-6-5I don't know even know why I'm debating this, you are an absolute morron and completely misunderstood my argument.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>But Al hasnt become a 1st or even 2nd chance option.</div>once again you make an absolutely ignorant comment. Al J has become a force for us in the middle. Just scroll up and look at his stats. He has become dominant in the low post for us and with Pierce injured, without Al J, we would be completely lost.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ Jan 4 2007, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>once again you make an absolutely ignorant comment. Al J has become a force for us in the middle. Just scroll up and look at his stats. He has become dominant in the low post for us and with Pierce injured, without Al J, we would be completely lost.</div>Dont say because Pierce is out he has become a force for us. With your whole team healthy, is he the 1st or 2nd option? And dont call me moron, your telling me that Boozer has less of a chance of winning MIP then Big Al. Give me a break. And get real, 13 Points a game and your saying he is a dominant down low? Zaza Pachulia of the Hawks averages 13 a game, and it doesn't seem that he is tearing it up downlow. Yes he has improved, but he isnt a "dominant" force under the hoop. Guys like Zach Randolph, Yao Ming, Shaq are.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jan 4 2007, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But Al hasnt become a 1st or even 2nd chance option. Boozer has. He also ranked 2nd, on the Race to the MVP right under Steve Nash himself.</div>I have to agree on this...Big Al I think is a second option thoughhe should be at least over Wally..when PP is healthyit should be1. PP2. Al3. Tony or Gerald or Wally
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Dont say because Pierce is out he has become a force for us. With your whole team healthy, is he the 1st or 2nd option? And dont call me moron, your telling me that Boozer has less of a chance of winning MIP then Big Al. Give me a break. And get real, 13 Points a game and your saying he is a dominant down low? Zaza Pachulia of the Hawks averages 13 a game, and it doesn't seem that he is tearing it up downlow. Yes he has improved, but he isnt a "dominant" force under the hoop. Guys like Zach Randolph, Yao Ming, Shaq are.</div>AL Jefferson is slowly becoming 2nd option for the Celtics. And why can't I say AL J has become a dominant force for us? He has, as a starter he's averaging 16 and 12, that's the same numbers as Dwight Howard who anyone on this board would probably call dominant. And Jefferson has better rebounding numbers than ZAZA and also Jefferson has only started 15 games this season. His numbers would be a hell of a lot better if he had been starting every game and didn't miss some games because of an injury. Look at the numbers he's been putting up as of lately, he has been great, he might not be putting up 25 points every game but he's been having consistent double-doubles. I'd consider that somewhat dominant.
     
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    And by the way RaptorFan you made an absolutely retarted post and then deleted it, that's why I was calling you a morron.
     
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    Al is definitely a solid, solid candidate, especially if he keeps this up. But Ellis, Boozer, Randolph, etc. all blow him out of the water.
     
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    People keep bringing up Randolph? He had a 20-10 season already in his career, the year he won this award. I really don't think the NBA will give it to him twice. And Boozer is having a great season but I really don't see him winning it. They usually give this award to someone who has a breakout season who hasn't been much of a solid player before that. Boozer has been solid before and he's averaged a double-double before. He also got inked to a what was it, $60 MIL contract? I think Al-J has a chance if he continues his double-doubles and huge rebounding number but I think the person that has the best chance out of all of these guys is Kevin Martin, he's averaging almost 12 points better than he did last season. Boozer is too important to win this award, so is Randolph.
     

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