Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters

Excellent!
Keep up the good work. It appears there is more to be done. Get with Sly and consider how to get police policies and procedures changed. Perhaps you
can save a life or even a few.

 

Sorry but this is what I read, and the bullet hole also show the probability.
http://gawker.com/the-washington-post-testifies-in-darren-wilsons-defense-1663283441

"Or they could have presented a drawing that in some way illustrated this critical cleaving in the story. Instead, we see Brown in a full bull-rush."

While the cop was not wrong by police policy. I don't think these policies are what they should be. The need to change.

So do the policies and procedure used in Burns. Too many people die by police gun fire.
It is not necessary.

 

When I use my "Referee Vision" and look at this objectively one thing really sticks out. Our viewpoint is from behind. We have what's called a "closed look". So does the cop who shot him.

We're all looking at asses and elbows. And you can't referee properly with a closed look.

Number two, we are never to guess. Only blow your whistle if you know what you saw.

So, I see a motion that could be described as reaching.... But... Do I have definitive evidence that he was reaching?

Look at the video like a football ref.

Do you have definitive evidence that he was reaching for his weapon?

Upon further review I do not see a reason to shoot.

Now which cop shot him? It looks to me like the one who came out of the trees. If it was him, he CLEARLY does not have a view of the play.

 

And this gentlemen, is why Body cameras are so key. They give a "cop's eye view". A body camera would've had a way better chance to record the definitive evidence needed to justify lethal force.

It's 20 fucking 16. There's a video recorder on damn near every cell phone... Why, in this day and age, do we only get a helicopter view??

 

I'd wear a body camera when refereeing. That would actually be pretty awesome. I'd LOVE to go back and look at that video.

 

I think the only way we're going to stop cops killing when trying to arrest someone is to change to some sort of tranquilizer dart...I've said this for quite some time. It's how you bring down a bear or Bengali tiger. They must have a dose that would knock out a human. Watching that video again...he looks like he's got his right hand in his pocket the whole time....the militia protesters were saying he had his hands up...clearly that was not the case...he defied arrest..was the force excessive?...Sure...it always is but these are the times we live in.

 

Forest rangers facing a Bengali tiger or Grizzly bear aren't facing death? The tranq works for them

 

They have guns, but in the case of this guy...I'd have gone with a tranq dart as an option..they had him surrounded ..one of the cops could've hit him with a dart without getting anywhere near him...the others could have backed him up with live ammo just in case he fired at them or was about to

 

facing humans with guns in their pocket is the situation here

 

I'm not making assumptions Sly...I'm proposing an alternative to killing a criminal when you really probably don't need to...and not just in this case..in a lot of cop shootings that have happened recently. I don't know much about tranq darts and what technique would be required...it's just an idea...not a platform
I have no problem with Lavoy's end...in my view he asked for it....I was trying to steer this thread into discussion rather than debate

 

This is an interesting comparison of Wounded Knee and the Burns occupation..my favorite part is that the ranchers are actually living on land stolen from the Paiutes to begin with. My grandmother was raised around Wounded Knee so it strikes home with me.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/heath...oregon-standoff-in-perspective_b_8919750.html