Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters

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  1. Denny Crane

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    Sure. Government always kept its bargains with the Indians.

    The reality is:

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    I'm failing to see why you are arguing the government took land from 500 tribes as if that makes anything better :)
     
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    I'm actually not...I'm arguing about when it happened because the gov't showed up much later in the case of the Paiutte wars...decades later. Oregon was not part of the US in 1840....now why are you arguing that? I think because it's an opportunity to dig at the gov't and put up a smokescreen letting settlers and invading European adventurers off the hook......it can't be blamed on Obama then..it has to be the evil military right?
     
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    I don't think it matters about 1840. The map I showed wasn't so red at that point. The feds owned none of it, eh? Or did they buy it in the La Purchase? Did the French have the right to sell the Indians' land to the US government?
     
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    Seems violent.
     
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    I don't get the going to the tree unless it was just thrown in to rhyme with hang me....what a depressing dirge..I won't be buying the CD
     
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    Louisiana Purchase did not include the areas of discussion...the Oregon territory was purchase in 1846 ...6 years after the Paiutte wars from Great Britain
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    Every state that entered the union east of the Mississippi, the federal government sold off or gave away the vast majority of any land it owned as a result of the state joining.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...egon-occupiers-complaint-explained-in-9-maps/

    Early in the history of the country, the government took over land that was then distributed to citizens for farming and economic growth. As the United States expanded westward, the land was increasingly inhospitable, including the Rockies and the deserts of Nevada and Utah. By the end of the 19th century, a new focus was placed on conserving the land, with Yellowstone becoming the first national park in 1872. At that point, very few people lived in the area, as this 1890 Census Bureau map suggests.

    Over the course of the 20th century, the government's emphasis shifted away from releasing the land to private citizens and toward managing it itself. The passage of 1976's Federal Land Policy and Management Act made that policy concrete, keeping the land as the property of the government. After the federal government's shift, there was a push from some in the West, including governors and members of Congress, to shift control from the federal to the state or local government. The Sagebrush Rebellion, as it was known, tapered off during the relative friendly administration of Ronald Reagan.

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    "From the earliest days," the CRS researchers write, "these policy views took on East/West overtones, with easterners more likely to view the lands as national public property, and westerners more likely to view the lands as necessary for local use and development."

    That's one reason for the objection from Westerners. The other is that the lock-down on the land came after the East was heavily settled but before the West had been. In the East, land was turned over to farmers. In the West, settled later in the country's history, there were fewer people to hand it to.
     
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    Only if I pick you up in SD and get you on a GreenPeace boat.
     
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    Nobody had the right to sell Native American lands period...but this has gone on since the beginning of time. Roman officers were given large tracts of land upon conquering Gauls or Huns or whoever they wanted..Guns, germs and steel....not that having superior power meant any nation should wield it for personal gain.
     
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    Nope.

     
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    fixed
     
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    My house isn't government land.
     
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