I hope you guys know what I mean by this, but what players set the standard for how that player should play?Like for example, you could say Jason Kidd sets the standard for how all point guards should play. Good defense, good vision. A well rounded player that easily defines him self as the court general and the leader of the team.So I got some 'player types' to go over, I don't know how well this is going to work, but you could fill it out.Starters [all positions]Role PlayersRookiesAny others you think ofThis doesn't necessarily have to be the best at that position, because they may not play their position as the standard.So if anyone wants to try this out... be my guest :dribble:
I'll try, forgive me if I get a little confused.pg - Kidd - I'd take Nash's offense over Kidd's in an instant but when you have to include defense nobody beats Kiddsg - Wade - Humble leader, can hit the jump shot, score, slash to the basket, play the pointsf - Lebron James - a playmaker, going to get you points rebounds and assists, lots of athletiscm, takes good shots, knows where teamates are, athletic defenderpf - Tim Dincan - 20 10 and 2 every night, got the fundamentals, post game facing basket andback to basket, can shoot from 15 feet, takes good shotsc - Yao Ming - 20 10 and 2 every night, pounds it in, good passer on the block, uses both hands, can hit the 15 foot jumperrole players - Shane Batier - a willing defender with height, wants to be a role player, no ego, makes the extra passrookies - chris paul (last year, obviously) - comes in, leads, doesn't put himself ahead of veteran players, make sure they get their touches, humblecoaches - phil jackson - can use an type of player and make them feel like they contribute, makes the 12th man feel like as much of a contributer as the 1st man, motivational
I can live with that post, but I don't see how Phil Jackson makes the 12 man feel like the first option... that's not even possible.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (7Goat @ Jan 4 2007, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can live with that post, but I don't see how Phil Jackson makes the 12 man feel like the first option... that's not even possible.</div>I think your kind of misunderstanding. Players dont usually change to meet the "standard". They change to meet the standard of the team. For instance, Steve Nash didnt change to meet Jason Kidds standard, or to set his own. But rather to do whats best for his team, to playmake and create scoring opportunities. Now however, you see it differant as you are just a spectator. Coaches dont tell PG's to be like Nash, they tell them to fix what went wrong last game. No PG trains to be like Nash. But to create opportunites for his team by learning where they like the ball, what type of passes they like etc....., similiar to Nash's style of play. Players dont copy other players unless they are on the same team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jan 4 2007, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think your kind of misunderstanding. Players dont usually change to meet the "standard". They change to meet the standard of the team. For instance, Steve Nash didnt change to meet Jason Kidds standard, or to set his own. But rather to do whats best for his team, to playmake and create scoring opportunities. Now however, you see it differant as you are just a spectator. Coaches dont tell PG's to be like Nash, they tell them to fix what went wrong last game. No PG trains to be like Nash. But to create opportunites for his team by learning where they like the ball, what type of passes they like etc....., similiar to Nash's style of play. Players dont copy other players unless they are on the same team.</div>I'm not talking about that though. I'm just looking for the most fundamental player for a position.Overthinking - wastes more time and has a 0% chance at hitting it right on the head.
PG-Steve Nash. Decent scorer, is very clutch. Gets 8+ assists almost every nightSG-Michael Redd. Good scorer, not much more than that though. Decent on defenceSF-LB James. Can do anything, and is an elite scorerPF-KG. Most complete big man in NBA. 'Nuff saidC-Yao. Wayy underrated, gets a double-double almost every night
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (7Goat @ Jan 4 2007, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not talking about that though. I'm just looking for the most fundamental player for a position.Overthinking - wastes more time and has a 0% chance at hitting it right on the head.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I hope you guys know what I mean by this, but what players set the standard for how that player should play?Like for example, you could say Jason Kidd sets the standard for how all point guards should play. Good defense, good vision. A well rounded player that easily defines him self as the court general and the leader of the team.So I got some 'player types' to go over, I don't know how well this is going to work, but you could fill it out.Starters [all positions]Role PlayersRookiesAny others you think ofThis doesn't necessarily have to be the best at that position, because they may not play their position as the standard.So if anyone wants to try this out... be my guest</div>That was my arguement. Other point gaurds dont look at his standard, they build on what their team needs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (7Goat @ Jan 4 2007, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can live with that post, but I don't see how Phil Jackson makes the 12 man feel like the first option... that's not even possible.</div>not the 12th man feel like the first option, the 12th man feels as important to the team's success as the 1st man does
<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">Starters [all positions]C: Yao Ming- Good scorer and rebounder. Yao averages a double-double all the time. Also, due to his long arms, which are complimentary for a 7'6" basketball player, Yao is able to get a couple of blocks every night.PF: Kevin Garnett- Not only does KG score and rebound like big men ought to, he also has the tendency to let his teammates get a piece of the action. KG averages roughly 5 apg, which is amazing for a big man to do. In a sense, Garnett is the 'Wolves' Steve Nash.SF: LeBron James- Came straight to the NBA at the tender age of 18 and straight off the bat began receiving world reknowned attention. LBJ steps on the court aiming for success and, in many instances, is successful.SG: Kobe Bryant- Went from being known as a ballhog to being known as a team leader. He is the Lakers' main scorer and playmaker at the same time, which can be quite hard to handle at times... But, hey! He's Kobe!PG: Jason Kidd- Isn't all that tall but still manages to average close to triple-double stats. Steve Nash would have been up here, but JKidd sums up a perfect PG due to his defense. Kidd can score a bit, get his teammates involved and play D. Professional!Role Players: Ben Gordon because he plays his best at all times just to assure himself and his teammates that the Bulls will get a W.</span>
PG: Steve Nash - distributing, scoring, doing everything his team needs to get the W. Besides Kidd there is no better PG in the nba today.SG: Wade - guy passes, scores, dominates the paint, add a 3 pt jumper to his portfolio and you got the next MJ.SF: Carmelo Anthony - everybody would say Lebron, but I disagree. Forward's duty is to score, nobody does that better than Melo, especially this season. Strong play downlow, and a great shot, his 3pt is getting better, you better watch out.PF: Dirk Nowitzki - Yes, he is my fav player, and this was a hard choice, but I have to stick Dirk up there. The guy has been down the last few weeks, but when he is back to his prime, its 30 and 10 every night. True, he still needs to work on his defense, but besides that he has the package ever PF should have.C: Dwight Howard - Yes, him over Yao any day. Yao is still soft, his inside game is just jumpers, he needs strength. Howard is the young version of Shaq, if he gets his freethrows up a bit he could be the best Center in the League. Dwight does everything a Center needs to do, from blocking shots to spectacular defense to inside dominance.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (air2k5 @ Jan 5 2007, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>SF: Carmelo Anthony - everybody would say Lebron, but I disagree. Forward's duty is to score, nobody does that better than Melo, especially this season. Strong play downlow, and a great shot, his 3pt is getting better, you better watch out.</div>I disagree.When it comes down to the SF spot, it has to be LeBron. Melo has gotten better this year until his Lil fight with N.Y got him 15 games.LeBron can score any where on the court. He can work u down and then bust it right in your Eye. And he is pretty much the best player that drives to the hole. Pretty much unstopable. And if u don't believe me, Ask Tim Duncan.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Jan 5 2007, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>People have Wade over Kobe? ugh..</div>Shouldn't be, I agree.Kobe is the best player in the league, love him or hate him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (air2k5 @ Jan 5 2007, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PF: Dirk Nowitzki - Yes, he is my fav player, and this was a hard choice, but I have to stick Dirk up there. The guy has been down the last few weeks, but when he is back to his prime, its 30 and 10 every night. True, he still needs to work on his defense, but besides that he has the package ever PF should have.</div>Dirk is not a prototype. Dirk is a rare specimen. A big man who can shoot the 3, handle the ball like a point, hit the mid-range jumper without looking. Dirk is a kind of player that is an exception for his posistion. Dirk is an average rebounder, and average defender. He wiil not get youy the blocks and rebounds that t aprototype power-forward would and he doesn't have as many post-moves as you would want a prototype power forward to have. Really, Dirk's best posistion may be at small-forward.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jan 5 2007, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dirk is not a prototype. Dirk is a rare specimen. A big man who can shoot the 3, handle the ball like a point, hit the mid-range jumper without looking. Dirk is a kind of player that is an exception for his posistion. Dirk is an average rebounder, and average defender. He wiil not get youy the blocks and rebounds that t aprototype power-forward would and he doesn't have as many post-moves as you would want a prototype power forward to have. Really, Dirk's best posistion may be at small-forward.</div>I Agree with you somewhat, but then again, look at what he is averaging, he gets 10+ rebounds each game, isn't that enough. I guess I overstated when I said he is the best PF, he is not a true power forward.
