Who would you trade CJ McCollum for?

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  1. BlazerCaravan

    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

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    There are analytics, and there are case studies; one fuels the other. You're not really giving us a case study here, because I'm only seeing some basic split of a basic stat. Nothing advanced, nothing that tells a story. Up-level this shit if you want to connect with your point.
     
  2. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Yo mama
     
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    Hmm. You're not quite "the data nerd" - you're "the data that backs up my gut" nerd. For example, you hate DRPM, as you said. That's okay - it could be a rubbish stat, but the reason you don't like it is that it doesn't agree with what you happen to believe.

    There is no such thing as "pure analytics". Suppose we pick "assists per game" - what counts as an assist will vary from person to person. Scorekeepers in Utah were notoriously generous to John Stockton, for example. Now, with better cameras and such, there's less of a human factor, but there's also the aspect that stats are associated with particular individuals (mostly - some are groups) but, as everyone knows, no stat is purely an individual's responsibility. (I guess you could make the case for "shooting % on uncontested shots" but even those could be affected by how confident the shooter is on other players screening off possible defenders from getting to him). And, to take an example of a stat we've been discussing, "% at the rim" is obviously going to be affected by your teammates. If you're playing with a quality big man who demands coverage, then you are much more likely to get a clear chance at a layup. Or, if your coach designs plays that facilitate you getting layups, then likewise.

    So it's never "data vs. gut" because which "data" you point to is going to be a product of what stats your gut tells you are reliable.
     
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    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    I agree CJ 'could' be. What I'd prefer, is that the Blazers have another SG who is good enough to start, and CJ comes off the bench as the sixth man of the year and combo scoring guard for the Blazers next championship contender.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Sure, but I'm not talking about what would work best for our team. I'm looking purely from the standpoint of what would maximize his potential, and I think that would be starting as a point guard where he is the #1 option on offense. I think there's a ceiling that he will never achieve in Portland.
     
  6. Dan Marang

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    No. I don't like DRPM b/c I don't like DRPM as a junk stat. I've stated numerous times on here in different articles where it's mentioned that I won't cite it. Not b/c it enforces a certain point of view. If that's your take on my belief, I hate to inform you you're sorely mistaken.

    Per game stats are not typically my go to- I opt for per 36 or per 100 depending on the sampling. Yes human error plays a part- which are why things like potential assists and hockey assists exist. No system is perfect, but the analytics community is constantly pushing to cover up those areas.

    Like I said before - there is no analytics holy grail- and context always matter but when a preponderance of evidence points to one thing- a persons reaction should not be to try and find more holes in it. You start getting into the ignorance fallacy when every way you slice something it turns out the same way- if you're still sitting there acting as if it doesn't.

    At this point I think the case is well stated- and I'll dive even more into it when I post the piece later, but I guess tt’s up to each to interpret it individually I suppose. :dunno:
     
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    Confidence in your stats is what blinds you to mistakes. Remember this the next time you hopelessly fuck up at work; it was probably because you were confident that you were right and stopped trying to puncture holes in your POV. "Yes, but" is the RIGHT and GOOD reaction to a preponderance of stats. Not "I guess you're right."

    You'll learn this as you gain experience in your job. Early on in my career, I made some dumb mistakes because I was 100% confident in my POV, and had all sorts of stats to back them up. But I was dead wrong.
     
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    Rasta LOVES DRPM and ORPM. It's his go-to stat right now.
     
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    Is it because he thinks M stands for metre? :ghoti:
     
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    "Metray? What's a metray? Ohhhhh, a METRAY."

     
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    The Devesiknoff Radmonovic Petronivich Metre?
     
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    Metre? I thought they spelled everything with an "ou"....

    Metour.
     
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    At least I realize how insufferable my stat posts seemed to people five years ago when I was That Guy. :lol:
     
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    You will always be "that guy" in our hearts and in our minds.

    :smiley-canttouchthi
     
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    Speaking of insufferable stat posts, what ever happened to Boob-no-more? Looks like he hasn't posted basically since the season started.
     
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    Even if Dame moved to the side... I don't see it but CJ's still a damned it all good player:wink:
     
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    So if CJ led the league in getting his shot blocked, what do the analytics suggest?
     
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    He was taking too much of Sly's spotlight so he went Highlander on him.

    There can only be one.
     
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    I don't know (nobody does) but I think it's a lot more likely to happen vs. not. KAT doesn't have a good chance @ HOF? Yeah...ok.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ys-karl-anthony-towns-will-be-a-hall-of-famer

    ^ Does KD's opinion count?

    http://nba.cdn.turner.com/nba/big/t...llardLrkPOST31JAN16__.mp4-264773_1280x720.mp4

    ^ @ ~43 seconds in, someone we know thinks highly of KAT too (fully aware he does not call KAT HOF or mention anything like that BUT this guy DOES recognize this is no ordinary rook).
     

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