12-Year-Old Special Education Student Charged With Disorderly Conduct for Wetting Pants

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ginger Jesus @ Jan 8 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>... OK well if the police dept. isn't out to get retards, why has that happened recently? I'd say it's more than possible.And I'm not saying she knew how to control her bladder. That's the whole point. She was SCARED bad enough that her bladder loosened and went. And what the hell does your geometry story have to do with anything? The kid didn't really go on purpose. If you wait for too long you eventually can't hold it and you go. He had the urge to go, not on purpose.</div>Examples? How have the police been "out to get retards"?Okay, so you are saying she had the ability to control her bladder when she didn't want to leave the library but not when she was "frightened" by the principal. That's pretty contradictory in my opinion. You're just making your logic fit your opinion, which defeats the whole purpose of logic in the first place.He did go on purpose. That was the point of the story. You're certainly not stupid enough to think that a 16 year old student can't hold it for 30 minutes, are you?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jan 8 2007, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Examples? How have the police been "out to get retards"?Okay, so you are saying she had the ability to control her bladder when she didn't want to leave the library but not when she was "frightened" by the principal. That's pretty contradictory in my opinion. You're just making your logic fit your opinion, which defeats the whole purpose of logic in the first place.He did go on purpose. That was the point of the story. You're certainly not stupid enough to think that a 16 year old student can't hold it for 30 minutes, are you?</div>Were you under a rock? There was the whole thing in N.O. about the cops just randomly gunning down a mentally ill person.I'm saying that she didn't have to go to the restroom until the principal showed up and scared her. That's what I get out of the story.The thing I'm saying as I said originally is that he didn't entirely go on purpose. You can't go, as I've tried to teach you, unless you have the urge. That kid could'nt have gone unless his bladder was full enough to start pushing the liquid out.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ginger Jesus @ Jan 8 2007, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Were you under a rock? There was the whole thing in N.O. about the cops just randomly gunning down a mentally ill person.I'm saying that she didn't have to go to the restroom until the principal showed up and scared her. That's what I get out of the story.The thing I'm saying as I said originally is that he didn't entirely go on purpose. You can't go, as I've tried to teach you, unless you have the urge. That kid could'nt have gone unless his bladder was full enough to start pushing the liquid out.</div>I knew you were going to bring that up, but it's a very very poor example. It's an isolated incident for one. There's no evidence of that happening anywhere else to my knowledge. Then there's the fact that you have no idea whether they knew that man was mentally challenged (By the way, calling it an illness is wrong... it's not an illness. They have it for life.). For all you know, they saw that he was black and gunned him down. For all you know, they just saw a silouette and fired. If they had lined up and shot him that would be one thing. All I know is that they shot him in the back. That tells me nothing about how police in a completely different area feel about retarded people, unless you know something about the situation that I don't. I'm pretty sure you don't.Yes, that is what you get out of the story. Like I said, you are fitting your logic to the story rather than the other way around, which is exactly what they want you to do.So what, you can't do anything on purpose just because you have the urge to do so? If I have don't have the urge to kill you, I won't. But once I get the urge, it's not on purpose? Okay. Anyway, you really have no idea what "on purpose" means, so I can't argue with someone who can't even define the terms which he is arguing about. Anybody who is potty trained has the ability to hold it or go. If you can't understand that, then I give you even more credit than you deserve.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jan 8 2007, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I knew you were going to bring that up, but it's a very very poor example. It's an isolated incident for one. There's no evidence of that happening anywhere else to my knowledge. Then there's the fact that you have no idea whether they knew that man was mentally challenged (By the way, calling it an illness is wrong... it's not an illness. They have it for life.).</div>lol it is too an illness. AIDS is an illness, people have that for life. Cancer is an illness you can have that for life.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ginger Jesus @ Jan 8 2007, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>lol it is too an illness. AIDS is an illness, people have that for life. Cancer is an illness you can have that for life.</div>owned.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>By most definitions it is more accurately considered a disability rather than a disease. It can be distinguished in many ways from mental illness, such as schizophrenia or depression.</div>

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jan 9 2007, 03:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>owned.</div>lol Yeah right. Like wikipedia is credible.

 

I think there was probably other ways to go about disciplining the child and I think wetting your pants is not really a reason to file suit on the girl. But I will bring up a point that bothers me a lot. I think as a whole this nation gives challenged or disabled people a free pass on EVERYTHING. If I go up to a girl and lift up her shirt and cop a feel I get arrested. If a mentally challenged person does the same thing he will be charged but if it is fought in court its almost assured that he is just "curious" or doesn't understand the reprocussions of his actions. Given that there is a line, I think whats wrong is wrong and unless there is something specifically hindering your ability to perform in the given situation there is no line for it. People act like these people have no clue of whats going on around them when they are essentially just like us just with minor deficiencies. If they attend school there is a great chance there is no MAJOR problem. You are taught wrong from right at a young age, its the most stressed thing in our youth, regardless of our functions or defeciencies and to say that someone with a handicap is automatically forgiven for something that is just flat out wrong is not right in my eyes.[/end rant]

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ginger Jesus @ Jan 9 2007, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>lol Yeah right. Like wikipedia is credible.</div>Actually, it is very credible in some rights.But here are some more links that disagree with you: link (see "description of mental retardation"), link2, link3 (the so-called "best answer" is pretty poor, but some other replies are good).Mental retardation is not an illness. You are born with it and you die with it. It's caused pretty much solely by genetics, not a virus or damaged DNA as with AIDS or cancer, respectively. Mental retardation can cause mental illness, but is not itself an illness. To say that you live your whole life with cancer is just false. Most of the time it can be treated or operated on. As for HIV/AIDS, it can also be treated, and we'll most likely be able to immunize it in the future just like with smallpox. You cannot operate on retardation, you can't cure it, and you can't immunize against it. It's not an illness in any sense of the word.

 

I got to wikipedia for EVERYTHING. They are extremely credible.

 

AIDS and Cancer aren't really curable. And they won't be.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ginger Jesus @ Jan 10 2007, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>AIDS and Cancer aren't really curable. And they won't be.</div>That is your opinion. It is indeed possible that they could be. Retardation cannot by any stretch of the imagination ever be cured. It's not an illness; it's a part of their physiology.