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On (probably) significantly more attempts, so the difference is pretty great. Putbacks aren't "assisted" per say either, and I'm willing to bet a bigger percentage of Harkless's shots are putbacks.

 

He's paid what, 14 millionish a year? Honestly I think hes worth that. Especially next year with the cap going up.

Edit: he's paid an average of 13.3 million over 3 years. That's a good contract for him. But he has a player option for after next season.

 

I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying they aren't comparable. Harkless is a role player that thrives on dunks and putbacks. Gay is a player defense have to gameplan for. Their effect on an offense (or opposing defense) is not the same regardless of their TS%.

I don't want Rudy Gay either, for what it's worth.

 

Yeah I think it would. CJ isn't available though; I just don't see us trading him in any scenario. There is risk bringing in an unknown player even if he's a potential all star. We know CJ fits well with Dame, their moms are best friends. Butler has issues with teammates and jealousy. Maybe he works out fine here but it's an unknown.

I don't think we do CJ for Butler straight up. Eventually Neil may trade for anther Allstar but it'll be with other pieces from the team. The plan to do that Is build up the trade value of the other parts.

 

Huh? CJ for Butler straight up is one of the VERY few deals I would actually do. They aren't moving Butler though.

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zqbwhdw

 

For fantasy basketball yes we should get him. To build a team that can win no way. I'd rather try to resign Hendo, Harkless, Crabbe. Two of them are better today than Gay and Harkless might be able to get there. Gay expects to start, get minutes, get shots which in the long term lowers the value of all other players on the team.

 

Yeah I don't agree that harkless, hendo or crabbe are better players than Rudy gay. Crabbe might get there, but he isn't there yet.

Rudy gay is interesting. He is an established scorer, and has the body type of a good defender. If Neil thinks he can have a career renaissance with us (kinda like zbo did with Memphis) I'd hope he would jump all over getting Rudy gay

 

Don't necessarily disagree; to a third party Butler is certainly more valuable over CJ. But we aren't a third party. Neil and Dame have a high vested interest in CJ and any future improvements he has. Is a Lillard Bulter duo with the role players we have left a contender? I'd say certainly no; so we'd still be looking to acquire that third borderline Allstar. But then we'd have lost Vonleh and other assets, plus have the huge risk of Butler being a worse fit with the team or personality wise with Dame.

I think Neil is trying to grab the pieces and flexibility to trade for a Butler level star someday; but it needs to be a more final piece to building a contender as when he got CP3. It shouldn't be an intermediate step.

 

Cleveland Trying to Unload Varejao on us apparently

 

He's a devisive player. If we needed a volume scorer off the bench or in the starting lineup such as the 2013 Blazers I'd have interest. But a team that is years away from contending would be worse with him in the long run. Guess it depends how you define "better" player. I value attitude, defense, unselfishness, role with the team as a small part of the equation. Gay is declining athletically while the other may improve. I don't see us having any interest.

 

OMG heeeeeelll no. He's got three years left!

 

I'd like to see us do it. Yes he's owed $10 million next season but we could get unprotected first in 2021 and pick swaps. Likely we don't need that cap space next summer and will be very happy with those picks. If we do need the cap space we could ship a lesser asset with Varejao contract to one of the 20 teams with space in the summer. Winwin if Neil can get the right picks from them.

 

He's 29. He has plenty of years left. He averaged 21 ppg, 6 rpg, 4 apg and 1 spg last year. We need more talent on the team

 

Except getting CP3 didn't make them a contender. Never even been to WCF.

 

Ewwww.