Justice Scalia found dead.

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  1. barfo

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    If a minority think that nothing in the country should ever change, should they always get their way? That's basically what you are arguing for.

    It's a good system if it is not abused, prevents tyranny of the majority. Unfortunately it has been badly abused.

    It's hard to imagine any amendment being approved at this point. Even a 'puppies and kittens are cute' amendment would fail.

    Change is going to happen whether conservatives like it or not. By opposing EVERY change, by acting as if every change, no matter how incremental, is going to destroy the country, you've caused the very problem you are complaining about. The amendment process can't work because there are enough of you who think that any change is a bad change that no amendment will ever pass. Therefore change seeks alternative processes.

    That's what you get for being unreasonable.

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  2. Denny Crane

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    ^^^ plain silly.

    His argument is that the justices should abide by the constitution as amended. Only you think it can't be amended.

    Your alternative is to scrap the Bill of Rights.

    I think that would be the end of this country as we know it. Already have the NSA spying on everyone.
     
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    No, actually I'm not the only one.

    Describe an amendment that you think would get the necessary 2/3rds vote in both houses, plus 3/4ths of the states.

    I don't think you'll be able to come up with anything that isn't utterly trivial.

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    I don't know what amendments we really need. It seems your kind can't convince people we need to do things your way so you find ways to shove them down our throats, disregarding the constitution.

    My advice is to make a compelling case for the amendments you want. If you can't convince people, you don't get your way. That's what you get for being unreasonable.
     
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    The latest amendment to the constitution was ratified 20 years ago? My how things change in 20 years.
     
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    Let's not forget that it took 202 years for it to be ratified.

    And yes, things do change in 20 years.

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    I didn't ask you what amendments you think we need. I know you think the Constitution is the word of god and the founders had perfect foresight in every way.

    The question was whether you could imagine an amendment that would pass.

    But, you've already proven my point. There is a sizable minority in this country (but still, a minority) that wants to block absolutely everything.

    My other point is that nobody needs to convince you in order to arrange changes. Conservatives had that power, but overplayed their hand, and now you don't have it anymore. It doesn't require a constitutional amendment, that's no longer how the game is played. You and MarAzul can bitch about that if you want, but you probably aren't going to get that genie back into the bottle now that you've let it out.

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  9. MarAzul

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    Golly! You know, I don't mind if you think I am unreasonable. I will refrain from telling you what I think about folks that do not respect the amendment process or the Constitution.
    I sort of look forward to the day we work it out.
     
  10. Denny Crane

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    This is the future you pitch. No wonder you can't convince people to go along.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088846/
     
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    Great movie, but I think you are confused about who is in the majority here.

    Hint: it ain't you.

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    Well, I really meant 'you conservatives', not you personally.

    I respect the amendment process, I just don't think it is currently working.

    I respect the constitution (and/or bible), but I don't think it is the word of god. The dudes who wrote it a long long time ago couldn't even conceive of indoor plumbing, so I don't see much reason to believe they had the answers to every problem of modern life.

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    It aint you. For sure, only a small % of the people want what you're selling.
     
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    Heh. I'm not the one whining about reality.

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    Your kind.

     
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    What problem do you have? I have none that need a fix by trashing the Constitution or the process.
     
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    Wonderful example of a fucking idiot.
     
  20. barfo

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    No problem here. I'm looking forward to the next Supreme Court justice. Things are good.

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