Things We Learned Last Night.

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  1. MarAzul

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    I take it you can not hear Coach Newell.
     
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    Not so much "learned" as "confirmed". Mess up our backcourt and none of our big men are able to step up and make you pay.
     
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    I cant, but its somewhat irrelevant based on the circumstances and comments being made about Stott's after this game.
     
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    Not with the game the coach runs.
     
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    I guess you learn something new every day!
     
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    We differ on this rather strongly I think.
     
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    The same thing can be said for people farting rainbows and unicorns when we are barely over .500 and went on a winning streak. Hopefully the people puffing their chests and thinking we are contenders can meet in the middle too. The team has weaknesses and as we play longer together and teams take notice of us, they will have game plans, I think teams still thought we sucked until the past two months. It's what we do after teams start adjusting I'm waiting for.
     
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    I have confidence we will recover but what I learned about last night is that this is the first game this season where losing felt like watching my mom get murdered by ISIS... Blazer Fever is in full swing.
     
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    What bothered me in reading the post-game comments by Lillard and McCollum is that I am not sure what they learned from the game. I would have liked to see McCollum say that he might have panicked some under the pressure and the he needed to learn to deal better with that. I would have liked to see them both say that they needed to figure out how to utilize the rest of the team better. Hopefully they will discuss this some when viewing the game video.
    Maybe this was just unique situation; going against a team with a couple of aggressive, tall defenders and with a guy in the back who can defend and block shots as well as anyone when he is in the mood; but it's also possible that Stotts will need to diversify the offense a little bit away from the constant pick and rolls involving two guys.
     
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    I think the Rockets need that win badly...they came into the game knowing that...Portland road their 6 game high into it without really thinking on it...the wheels fell off in the second half because simply the Rockets wanted it more...they couldn't take being embarrassed yet again by the Blazers....

    But a good thing out of it, the Blazers can snap out of the protective cloud the winning streak and the way they have been playing have put them in. Over confidence can cost you and it cost the Blazers...lets keep our heads up Blazers
     
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    The Rockets took Dame and CJ out of the game effectively...only way to win was for Crabbe, Harkless, Davis, etc...score in double digits and they didn't...so to me that was the difference and Howard played at a very high level last night..They wore us down by the endgame. I don't think it's a coaching failure, but a failure to execute on offense when you need to counter punch against Howard and Harden both having hot shooting nights.
     
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    Oh Ive been here during the up and sown parts of the season, other than when life has got in the way and im away for a few days at a time.

    Ill will also go on record as noticing and acknowledge when I went through the prediction thread, It sure seemed like the Homers were blasted alot more than we/they actually were. I think Ive been a pretty heavy proponent to the pessimists giving us Homers flack, when its really been more 50/50 I think.

    In the end, all good, I think we all want the same thing, just feel differently on how we get there. :)
     
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    Of course. We all are obsessed with the blazers otherwise we wouldnt spend so much time on s2. I'm just a big proponent of never being complacent, always looking to improve.
     
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    Orangeouts at reser are the shit
     
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    Exactly.

    Stotts is either A) stubborn as shit or B) doesn't realize when it's time to switch things up on either end of the court.
     
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    We started the same way against the nets and Utah we start play together at the beginning then in the middle we get away from it and the other team gets back in the game. First 2 games we pull it out in the last 5 minutes last night we wasn't that lucky. So the lesson they should have learn is stick what got them the big lead not go off started playing individual ball.Playas team both ends of the court. That got
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    The Blazer backups are totally average at 3-point shooting, drawing fouls, blocking shots, and scoring points. Despite Damian Lillard's assertion that the bench sometimes generates a lead, they have a negative plus/minus split, which suggests that reserve players have been outscored on the whole.

    Not surprisingly, the bench leads the league in rebounding. This is likely due in large part to Davis' 7.2 rebounds per game. The Blazers are also second to last in assists, which is also expected. Stotts has assigned nearly all ball-handling and playmaking duties to his starting guards, so there are few chances for backup players to act as primary distributors.

    But given the low playmaking expectations it is concerning that the Blazers are No. 24 in turnovers at 6.1 per game. Meyers Leonard is the primary turnover culprit; he leads all reserves with 1.4 per game. This is especially problematic given that he averages only 1.6 assists per game and rarely handles the ball closer than 15 feet to the basket.

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    With the advanced stats, the Blazers still have a great rebounding bench, and a very poor passing bench. The disparity between the TS% and eFG% represents a low free throw rate (TS% considers free throws, eFG% does not).

    Perhaps the best news is that the team's reserves have a top six offensive rating. That, however, is offset by a slightly below average defense, which yields a net rating -0.8, No. 14 in the league. The Blazers are almost exactly average according to those numbers.

    So what's going on here? Why do the stats suggest that the Blazers' bench is, overall, about average, but the eye test has told us that the bench has excelled?

    First, it's possible that those observing the team have been disproportionately impressed by average play because they had grown used to watching a historically bad bench. Last season, for example, Stotts leaned heavily on aging veterans Steve Blake and Chris Kaman as the team aspired to make a deep playoff run. That was, somehow, a massive improvement over 2013 when Ronnie Price,Victor Claver, rookie Meyers Leonard, and Sasha Pavlovic all averaged more than 13 minutes per game.

    Given that recent history it has been a relief to see Davis replace Joel Freeland at backup power forward and 2016 Allen Crabbe replace 2015 Allen Crabbe. Add in the recent excellent play of Henderson and Harkless, and it's easy to get excited about this year's bench compared to the last couple seasons.

    The talent gap between the starters and bench players has also closed this season. For the last three seasons, the starters were clearly superior to their reserve counterparts. This season, outside of McCollum and Lillard, the gap between the players has become negligible. Davis, for example, outplays Noah Vonleh on an almost nightly basis and Crabbe is often the third best player on the team. The lack of clear demarcation in talent between the starters and reserves may be skewing perceptions of how good the bench actually is.

    That being said, the numbers do not necessarily support the idea that the talent gap between the Blazers' starters and reserves is closer than for other teams around the league. This table shows the difference in advanced statistics between the two units, and how the Blazers rank compared to other teams (Note: for all stats, including defensive rating, positive numbers indicate that that the bench unit is statistically outperforming the starting unit):





    These numbers suggest that the starters and bench are about even with the rest of the league for differences in production. The exception being the aforementioned high rebounding and low assist rate for the bench. Having a league average bench is still a step forward for the Blazers, but it should be acknowledged that the gap between the starters and bench is not exceptionally narrow.

    The decline in the effectiveness of the starters has also dramatically lowered expectations for the team. Given preseason expectations, the bench unit has been allowed more leeway to make mistakes than over the previous two years, and accordingly have been judged more leniently. Simply put, when a team is on pace to win 50+ games the bench players will be crucified if their mistakes result in losses. But when you're expected to win 30 games, at most, the bench is allowed a longer leash as player development takes precedent over victories.

    Leonard, for example, was allowed to make repeated obvious mistakes and stayed in the rotation until very recently. Harkless, after months of ineffective play, was given a second chance and has thrived. Stotts continued to play Henderson, despite several weeks of atrocious play, as the backup guard recovered from off-season hip surgery. Those players would have cost the team victories last season so it's unlikely they would have seen the court as often as they did this season. Thus, the lowered expectations have allowed several players to work through rough spots that may have relegated them permanently to the pine last season. As such, stats may not be reflecting the apex that Harkless and Henderson seemed to have reached in the last month.

    It's also important to note that defense is not considered in many of the stats listed. Massive improvements on defense have been one of the key reasons for the Blazers' surge up the standings over the course of the last month. In the last ten games the team has had the third best defensive rating in the league (99.0), and the bench has had the fifth best defensive rating (100.2). The bench's net rating in those games is 8.3, good for fourth overall. It seems likely that the bench has given the team a defensive boost in recent weeks that is not captured by the stats listed above. The reserves' offensive numbers could also be depressed by the constant presence of either Lillard or McCollum. Stotts has made it a goal to keep one of his starting guards on the floor at all times, which means that reserve players rarely initiate the offense or control the ball. That may be reducing their statistical presence.

    In the end, the unexpectedly average statistics of the Portland bench may not matter. The team has been winning at an incredible rate (best record in the league over the last month!) while playing a nine or 10-man rotation. The low preseason expectations appear to have helped the bench by giving several players time to work their way into their roles and they are now thriving. At this point, it's clear that, much like Stotts' previous teams, the Blazers reserves have created a whole that is greater than the sum of its parts.

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    them going on the win streak get back to that type game
     
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