<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jan 7 2007, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I strongly disagree with that statement. What makes you think that he will win a championship in the next 5 years when Lebron, Carmelo, and Wade are all better than him right now, and they are also all going to get better as well? If Lebron could ever get a reliable second scoring option or even third scoring option like Gilbert has, Lebron's team would excell and easily be a top 3 team in the league. Jamison isn't going to get any better over the next couple of seasons, and he is easily your third best player. The Wizards would obviously have to keep Gilbert, they would have to keep Caron, and they would have to sign at least one good big men in order to be in the championship contention. The Dallas Mavericks if they stay together are still going to be a good team in 5 years, any team Wade stays on will be good in 5 years, and the same with Carmelo, Lebron, Kobe, and there are going to be teams like the Bulls and Celtics who are going to be good in 5 years as well. Teams are going to get better......So to say that Washington is going to get a championship in 5 years is a straight up guess that has a small chance of being correct. O yeah, any team with Amare, Chris Paul, and Dwight Howard is going to be good within the next 5 years as well. There is so much competition that its not even funny.....Now I'm not saying that Gilbert isn't a good player, but you are making it sound like its going to be easy....</div>LeBron has been in the NBA for four years (including this one), coming out of HS where he had so many expectations to live up to and he has. You'd think the Cleveland management by now would get LeBron a really helpful supporting cast and a sidekick that can ACTUALLY play from time to time. So the 'ifs' that you have there are just meaningless, because the 'ifs' HAVEN'T happened yet. Jamison has not slowed down in any aspect since he's arrived in Washington two years ago. In fact, he's gotten much better, telling by the stats and the way he plays out there on the court. Jamison definitely has a good 2-3 years left in him, he's a pretty durable player. Hahah, you're still mentioning Dwyane Wade, huh? The Miami Heat won't trade Dwyane Wade for anything, and the Heat have a pretty bad future ahead of them. Shaq is done. And this time, he's REALLY done. Wade's supporting cast is so mediocre that he has to lead them in every category in some games. Their management hasn't done any blockbuster moves besides the Shaq trade and filling up their roster with a bunch of past-their-prime players. Carmelo is in a conference with teams like the Jazz, Suns, Spurs, Mavs, Lakers, and Rockets. Nuggets will never get far in the playoffs with that 'deadly' duo of AI and 'Melo. Kobe definitely has the desire and determination to win a ring without Shaq, but its just not the same. Despite their record, the Lakers just have some solid role players that can have a career night once in a while (besides Odom). Bynum is a promising young center but he still has a long way to go in 5 years, no one knows how he'll turn out. It actually seems like you can PREDICT the future, when you really can't. Therefore you just list all these teams with their superstars and expect them to win a title instead of the Wizards. Let me just tell ya something, buddy. A LOT can happen in 5 years.
I think that Arenas might win 1-2 scoring titles in his career. He has a good chance of winning it this year since only melo is ahead of him and melo has to share the ball with AI now. I don't think Arenas will win more than twice in his career though because there are too many other great scorers in the NBA right now.
<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">I personally believe that Gilbert Arenas can play better as a SG than a PG because he is just that well-rounded of an explosive scorer; however, I can see why he plays PG: he can handle the ball very well.Anyway, Gilbert can probably win a couple of scoring titles... More than A.I has won in the past? Eh... Most likely, not.</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zards @ Jan 7 2007, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gil will win a championship with the Wizards in less than 5 years. The East is so open right now that any team can reach the Eastern Conference Finals with ease. Washington is just a couple steps away from a championship.. Gil will definitely win a ring before his career is over. He's just so determined and so confident, you just can't picture him leaving the NBA without one.</div>Slow down there bud. The Wizards won't get anywhere until they start playing some defense. Gilbert Arenas and the Wizards defense is just pathetic, and their offense just isn't high powered enough to carry them through to the championship (like maybe the Suns' offense is..)
There is a lot of tough competition... a lot. But Gil is that kind of player that can step up. Now I know it's not his goal to win scoring titles, but if his team needed him to score his brains out every night, then he has a shot for at least 1. 2 at the very most.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jan 8 2007, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Slow down there bud. The Wizards won't get anywhere until they start playing some defense. Gilbert Arenas and the Wizards defense is just pathetic, and their offense just isn't high powered enough to carry them through to the championship (like maybe the Suns' offense is..)</div> You say this about defense but how about the Suns, they're contendors and many believe they will win it all this year. Did you actually just say our offense is pathetic when we have the highest scoring trio int eh NBA and a shooting team? We run nearly as fast as the suns, and we could run w/ them when we beat them on their home floor! Wizards are contendors in the east, we can argue about this all we want but if we dont get deep into the playoffs this year, I will send you a message of some form telling you you were right, I promise you I won't send that message.
The Suns have better chemistry on offense, and just by far the best offense in the League. They can easily run teams out of the building, and that's the difference to me. And why do you think they couldn't get past the Spurs or Mavs in years past? Why did it take them 7 to get past the 7th seed Lakers last year even? It's because they have a bad defense, which puts a ton of pressure on their offense to win a series for them. I just don't think the Wizards can win a championship in 5 years. Making the ECF within 5 years would be a great accomplishment for the Wiz even..You are only contendors in the East this year because the East is the worst it's been in years. I don't think you're a better team than the Cavs, Pistons, Bulls; maybe even Heat when it comes down to a best of 7 series...Youve got your offense downpat. Youve probably got the 2nd best offense in the League. Why arent you guys an elite team in the East? Look no further...Your defense holds you back from being a top tier team in the League.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jan 8 2007, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Suns have better chemistry on offense, and just by far the best offense in the League. They can easily run teams out of the building, and that's the difference to me. And why do you think they couldn't get past the Spurs or Mavs in years past? Why did it take them 7 to get past the 7th seed Lakers last year even? It's because they have a bad defense, which puts a ton of pressure on their offense to win a series for them. I just don't think the Wizards can win a championship in 5 years. Making the ECF within 5 years would be a great accomplishment for the Wiz even..You are only contendors in the East this year because the East is the worst it's been in years. I don't think you're a better team than the Cavs, Pistons, Bulls; maybe even Heat when it comes down to a best of 7 series...Youve got your offense downpat. Youve probably got the 2nd best offense in the League. Why arent you guys an elite team in the East? Look no further...Your defense holds you back from being a top tier team in the League.</div>The Suns have a better chemistry on offense. So do we. They can easily run teams out of the building. So can we.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jan 8 2007, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Suns have better chemistry on offense, and just by far the best offense in the League. They can easily run teams out of the building, and that's the difference to me. And why do you think they couldn't get past the Spurs or Mavs in years past? Why did it take them 7 to get past the 7th seed Lakers last year even? It's because they have a bad defense, which puts a ton of pressure on their offense to win a series for them. I just don't think the Wizards can win a championship in 5 years. Making the ECF within 5 years would be a great accomplishment for the Wiz even..You are only contendors in the East this year because the East is the worst it's been in years. I don't think you're a better team than the Cavs, Pistons, Bulls; maybe even Heat when it comes down to a best of 7 series...Youve got your offense downpat. Youve probably got the 2nd best offense in the League. Why arent you guys an elite team in the East? Look no further...Your defense holds you back from being a top tier team in the League.</div>The Suns have a better chemistry on offense. So do we. They can easily run teams out of the building. So can we.Are you basing all your personal knowledge off of that one game against the Raps on Sunday? Because you're saying that our chemistry on offense isn't that great when at home we can put up 115 ppg a game. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Youve got your offense downpat.</div>This makes me laugh. Seriously, it does. You don't watch the Wizards at all. Especially at home, our offense is runnin' and gunnin'. We are better than the Cavs. We just have problems finishing out games against them on their homecourt. Usually, when we play in Cleveland, it's a close game. But in DC, we get a huge lead on them in the 2nd half and thats when they play their reserves to cut the lead to 15-18 points. LeBron's supporting cast isn't all that great. Hughes is a horrid shooter, he's not consistent enough from the perimeter.. Gooden is a good offensive rebounder but doesn't help with post scoring. Z usually does that, but he's having a bad year this year. This year he just takes up a lot of space in the paint..
In the last two weeks I've watched the Wizards a couple times. They were better than I expected, are they terrible defensively? Yes, but on most nights they can outscore you. Caron Butler has really stepped up. Larry Hughes is actually hitting some shots this year, the other night he was shooting well from the perimeter against the Bucks. I just checked and he's shooting over 40% from three.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jan 8 2007, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In the last two weeks I've watched the Wizards a couple times. They were better than I expected, are they terrible defensively? Yes, but on most nights they can outscore you. Caron Butler has really stepped up. Larry Hughes is actually hitting some shots this year, the other night he was shooting well from the perimeter against the Bucks. I just checked and he's shooting over 40% from three.</div>He's a decent shooter at best, but last year he shot 76 3 pters.. that's nothing compared to how many 3's he took in Washington. He has shot 76 3 pters this year already but still his 3FG doesn't really satisfy me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zards @ Jan 7 2007, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LeBron has been in the NBA for four years (including this one), coming out of HS where he had so many expectations to live up to and he has. You'd think the Cleveland management by now would get LeBron a really helpful supporting cast and a sidekick that can ACTUALLY play from time to time. So the 'ifs' that you have there are just meaningless, because the 'ifs' HAVEN'T happened yet. Jamison has not slowed down in any aspect since he's arrived in Washington two years ago. In fact, he's gotten much better, telling by the stats and the way he plays out there on the court. Jamison definitely has a good 2-3 years left in him, he's a pretty durable player. Hahah, you're still mentioning Dwyane Wade, huh? The Miami Heat won't trade Dwyane Wade for anything, and the Heat have a pretty bad future ahead of them. Shaq is done. And this time, he's REALLY done. Wade's supporting cast is so mediocre that he has to lead them in every category in some games. Their management hasn't done any blockbuster moves besides the Shaq trade and filling up their roster with a bunch of past-their-prime players. Carmelo is in a conference with teams like the Jazz, Suns, Spurs, Mavs, Lakers, and Rockets. Nuggets will never get far in the playoffs with that 'deadly' duo of AI and 'Melo. Kobe definitely has the desire and determination to win a ring without Shaq, but its just not the same. Despite their record, the Lakers just have some solid role players that can have a career night once in a while (besides Odom). Bynum is a promising young center but he still has a long way to go in 5 years, no one knows how he'll turn out. It actually seems like you can PREDICT the future, when you really can't. Therefore you just list all these teams with their superstars and expect them to win a title instead of the Wizards. Let me just tell ya something, buddy. A LOT can happen in 5 years.</div>Ok then, do you see the Wizards winning a championship in the next two years while Jamison is still on their team. I would actually bet my life that they dont make it to the finals in the next two years. I dont remember saying anything about Jamison slowing down, but he wont be with the team forever is what I am trying to say. And in these next couple years, the Wizards arent going to be good enough to win a ring, and that is when Jamison is going to be effective. Im not saying that the Heat are going to trade Wade, but did you ever think that once Shaq is gone, that they are going to get another big named player on their team? I would think alot of players in the league would want to play beside him. And I wouldnt quite count out Shaq yet. Even though he is going to be substantially worse, his presence will still be felt. People are going to double team him almost wherever he goes, and that alone will be enough to make a big impact. And I like how you practically just proved my point even more. If a nuggetts team at full strength can't get in to the finals because the western conference is so tough, how would the Wizards be able to beat any of those teams from the West. Last time I checked, a Denver's roster that is at full strength is easily a better team than the Wizards. The Wizards this year are a few games over five hundred in the eastern conference where they play alot more paddy cake teams. You mention that the Lakers "won't" do it because they just have alot of solid role players that can have career nights every once in a whie? Are you oblivious to everything? Because if you looked at the Lakers record latley, it doesn't seem to be mattering much. They play in the Western conference, they are without their 2nd best player, and they STILL have a better record than the Wizards AND they are a far better team. They just came off of a huge win against the best team in the NBA without Lamar Odom. While the Wizards just came off of a loss to the Raptors with a fully healthy team. Your right, nobody knows how Bynum will turn out. I will give you that, but a Bynum right now is better defensively than any big man that the Wizards have on their roster. What is the likelyhood that he won't progress and get better on both ends of the floor? I say that it is highly doubtful that he wont improve. You and I and the rest of the world all know that.I listed all of those superstars to show you that it isn't going to be easy. The Wizards are not going to win a championship with in the next two or three years, and that is when they are going to have Jamison. After that, he is gone and the Wizards are without on of their key players. What do they do from there? Go out and sign another big player? Its not that easy.....And your right, alot CAN happen in 5 years, which is why other teams will improve just as much as the Wizards can. They all have an equal opportunity.
[quote name='ballerman2112' post='253344' date='Jan 8 2007, 09:45 PM']Ok then, do you see the Wizards winning a championship in the next two years while Jamison is still on their team. I would actually bet my life that they dont make it to the finals in the next two years. I dont remember saying anything about Jamison slowing down, but he wont be with the team forever is what I am trying to say. And in these next couple years, the Wizards arent going to be good enough to win a ring, and that is when Jamison is going to be effective.[/quote] Who says Jamison won't last more than 2 years? I was just making a prediction, again, Jamison's a durable player. If he's still with us (3 or 4 years from now), he can still manage to put up 15 ppg and 7 rpg, which isn't bad at all. If Jamison leaves, you don't think anyone won't play with Gil? Guys like KG and JO would love to play alongside of Gil (or Wade), he has that killer instinct they do. They also realize that the Wizards are a talented team in a weak conference. And besides, even if Miami signs someone big after Wade leaves, they need to clean up their roster. Guys like Walker and Posey are ineffective NOW. Their roster is such a mess.. and the players don't have much faith in the organization at all whatsoever, right now. Players like Dwight Howard are now starting to hold their own, so they obviously don't need help guarding Shaq by himself. Shaq just doesn't make that much of an impact. Even if you foul him in the post, and he goes to the FT line, he won't make them. Yes - talent-wise, the Nuggets are better than the Wizards. But the question is, "Have you even see AI and Carmelo play together on the same team yet?" No. The chemistry for Denver is a little shaky right now and AI is trying to fit in. Sure, anyone can say that AI and Carmelo = beastness, but if they haven't seen them play together, who freakin' knows whats going to happen? The Wizards are only five games over .500, and we do play those 'paddy cake' teams, as well. BUT, we've also played the 'real' teams, and we've beaten them. Yes, teams like the Suns, Lakers, Mavs, etc. The Wizards always manage to give a top dog Western Conference team a hell of a fight. We ended Phoenix's 15 game winning streak and broke up Dallas' 12 game winning streak earlier this season. We can compete with these teams, this is what you don't realize. The Lakers have been on a tear lately, but they also have one of the greatest coaches of all-time in NBA history. We have some assistant coach from NJ that came over here and doesn't really know what defense is. He fucks up the rotations continuously, while Jackson actually knows what he's doing every game night. The "triangle offense" benefits guys like Luke Walton and Lamar Odom, greatly, and having Kobe in the mix just makes it better.We've been banged up, my friend. I haven't seen Darius Songaila play one minute this season. If we had him coming off the bench shooting jumpers from the elbow, we'd be better than we are right now. The Wizards haven't a guy like Songaila since a long time. The guy doesn't come back 'till Febuary.. Etan Thomas is still banged up from last month and we've been missing Michael Ruffin, as well. Ruffin is a key rebounder and defensive enforcer on the Wizards, not to mention a fan favorite. So no, just because our star players are still playing for the team doesn't mean that the entire team is healthy.. (BTW Gil had troubles with his shoulder before the Bucks game where he nailed the game winner, we weren't even sure if he was going to play)Bynum is not better than Haywood defensively. Bynum is thin and fragile, and Haywood is strong and has great upper body strength. His wingspan is amazing and it affects so many shots that are going up in the air. Haywood is probably the most underrated defensive post player in the NBA, besides Kendrick Perkins. Of course, every team has equal opportunity. I just believe the Wizards will win a title in five years max. Gil will be in his prime, which is when he'll become even MORE deadly and fill up the stat sheets. If Miami can go out and sign another player just like that when Shaq's done, what makes you think it won't be the same for the Wizards and Gil? It's not like everyone wants to play with Wade.. Arenas will definitely draw attention even more now in 5 years.
I think Gil can take it this year but not much after that. Kobe is still Kobe and he will always be up there with the leaders, AI will probably stay up there for a few more years, and Melo will be there to. The two I think will get the most are Wade and Bron. Bron is just a pure scorer and will continue to get better with some more years, he doesn't have any great scorers on his team that he has to share with while Gil has Jamison and Butler. Wade will definitely be a big factor in this too, as we all know Shaq is getting older and less productive so now Wade is really the only major scorer we have out there, Wade will be a 30+ point scorer until we get someone new to play next to him which might take a few years.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zards @ Jan 8 2007, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who says Jamison won't last more than 2 years? I was just making a prediction, again, Jamison's a durable player. If he's still with us (3 or 4 years from now), he can still manage to put up 15 ppg and 7 rpg, which isn't bad at all. If Jamison leaves, you don't think anyone won't play with Gil? Guys like KG and JO would love to play alongside of Gil (or Wade), he has that killer instinct they do. They also realize that the Wizards are a talented team in a weak conference. And besides, even if Miami signs someone big after Wade leaves, they need to clean up their roster. Guys like Walker and Posey are ineffective NOW. Their roster is such a mess.. and the players don't have much faith in the organization at all whatsoever, right now. Players like Dwight Howard are now starting to hold their own, so they obviously don't need help guarding Shaq by himself. Shaq just doesn't make that much of an impact. Even if you foul him in the post, and he goes to the FT line, he won't make them. Yes - talent-wise, the Nuggets are better than the Wizards. But the question is, "Have you even see AI and Carmelo play together on the same team yet?" No. The chemistry for Denver is a little shaky right now and AI is trying to fit in. Sure, anyone can say that AI and Carmelo = beastness, but if they haven't seen them play together, who freakin' knows whats going to happen? The Wizards are only five games over .500, and we do play those 'paddy cake' teams, as well. BUT, we've also played the 'real' teams, and we've beaten them. Yes, teams like the Suns, Lakers, Mavs, etc. The Wizards always manage to give a top dog Western Conference team a hell of a fight. We ended Phoenix's 15 game winning streak and broke up Dallas' 12 game winning streak earlier this season. We can compete with these teams, this is what you don't realize. The Lakers have been on a tear lately, but they also have one of the greatest coaches of all-time in NBA history. We have some assistant coach from NJ that came over here and doesn't really know what defense is. He fucks up the rotations continuously, while Jackson actually knows what he's doing every game night. The "triangle offense" benefits guys like Luke Walton and Lamar Odom, greatly, and having Kobe in the mix just makes it better.We've been banged up, my friend. I haven't seen Darius Songaila play one minute this season. If we had him coming off the bench shooting jumpers from the elbow, we'd be better than we are right now. The Wizards haven't a guy like Songaila since a long time. The guy doesn't come back 'till Febuary.. Etan Thomas is still banged up from last month and we've been missing Michael Ruffin, as well. Ruffin is a key rebounder and defensive enforcer on the Wizards, not to mention a fan favorite. So no, just because our star players are still playing for the team doesn't mean that the entire team is healthy.. (BTW Gil had troubles with his shoulder before the Bucks game where he nailed the game winner, we weren't even sure if he was going to play)Bynum is not better than Haywood defensively. Bynum is thin and fragile, and Haywood is strong and has great upper body strength. His wingspan is amazing and it affects so many shots that are going up in the air. Haywood is probably the most underrated defensive post player in the NBA, besides Kendrick Perkins. Of course, every team has equal opportunity. I just believe the Wizards will win a title in five years max. Gil will be in his prime, which is when he'll become even MORE deadly and fill up the stat sheets. If Miami can go out and sign another player just like that when Shaq's done, what makes you think it won't be the same for the Wizards and Gil? It's not like everyone wants to play with Wade.. Arenas will definitely draw attention even more now in 5 years.</div>Ok, lets say Jamison is still in the league in 3 or 4 years, which there is a possibility of....He is not going to be the same player that he is right now. If the Wizards have any chance of winning a ring, it is going to have to be within the next couple years where Jamison is still fully efffective. It is possible that they could get another good player once Jamison leaves, but it is also possible that they lose Caron Butler (I dont know when his contract his up though).Yes, guys would want to play beside Gilbert Areanas....but guys would also like to play alongside 10 other players in the NBA that are just as good as Gilbert is. Also, I would like to tell you that after next season, the Spurs are only going to have 3 players under contract: Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili. They are going to be able to go out and sign a big name free agent which is obviously going to make their team better. Do you think that a Wizards team would be able to beat the Spurs with ANOTHER quaility player on their team? I dont think so.....The Wizards dont have an inside presence to even come close to stopping Duncan. He is too good and too smart. I am sick and tired of people telling me that Denver won't be able to work with Iverson in uniform....why wouldnt it work? They were a very good team before they had Iverson, so why would adding one of the best players in the NBA to your team hurt you? Even if there aren't enough shots to go around, the only thing that will hurt from that are the players stats. So do you think if the Wizards added Iverson to the Wizards, that they would become a worse team, because they wouldnt have enough shots to go around? doesn't make too much sense now does it.....?What I think is funny, is that you are mentioning all of the games that the Wizards have won agaisnt the good teams, but you are failing to list all of the games that they have lost to the bad teams. And do you think that the Wizards right now would beat the Mavericks, Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Heat (healthy), or the Pistons in a 7 game series? I sure as hell don't think so. Just because you win one regular season game agaisnt a team doesn't mean that you are better than them. The fact of the matter is that the Wizards are in a weak conference, they are only 5 games over 500, and they have a terrible defensive ball club, with NO inside scorer. How is that going to win you a championship?You are using the excuse that the reason the Lakers are winning is because they have a good coach? Give me a break....It isn't Phil Jackson who makes the shots, it isn't Phil Jackon who makes defensive stops in the end of the game, and it isn't Phil Jackson who scores 81 points in a game. Give the credit to the team who is dominating without their second best player. Take away Caron Butler from your team and tell me that the Wizards would do good without him. A good coach helps, but its not the reason this team is winning. If you watched the Lakers game agaisnt the Lakers, Phil Jackson didnt do anything that any other coach would do. He left his good players in, and he kept in Sasha because he was on fire and he was playing good defense. Any coach who isnt retarted would do that. Blaming a loss on "bad player rotations" by a coach? You are starting to sound like a Celtic fan blaming about Doc Rivers. Except the funny thing is that they actually have something to complain about.You just named 2 guys that would play less than 10 minutes a game. The Lakers are also without Kwame Brown and Chris Mihm. Kwame Brown was the Lakers starting center before he got injured.....And they are also without a triple double threat in Lamar Odom who is easily their 2nd best player on the team. Darius Songalia and Michael Ruffin? Give me a break....All that means is that more minutes go to guys that would be starting in front of them. And why even list Gilbert's "so called injury" when he is playing great right now and has shown no sign of being hurt what so ever, AND when he hit the game winner. So much for an injury right.... Yeah, Bynum is thin and fragile....Have you even seen him play this year? Two games ago, Bynum had like 20 points over 10 rebounds and "6" blocked shots. So much for skinny and fragile. He is a very mobile defender who doesn't give ground in the post, and who changes twice as many shots as he blocks. It is like you have never seen the kid play before.
Yeah, I can see Arenas getting one, maybe two scoring two. It'll be tough With LeBron and Carmelo in their primes, although Carmelo having Iverson helps Arenas out a little bit.
I say 0.this year I think kobe will take it. In the future I dont think he'll put up lebron and melo and wade numbers on a yearly basis. I just think that lebron melo wade and kobe all have just as much of a shot as him so that gives him 1-5 odds every year basically. I dont see it happening. If ever its this year.
