Fox News offered to hold a Town Hall for the democrats

You can always write in this guy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Daniel_Johnson

 

I have a friend who says he's either going to vote for Bernie or Trump.

 

Racism against black people is much more prevalent and severe. What you're advocating is like saying firemen should give the exact same attention to a hospital burning down and a trashcan fire.

 

Most independents are in this line.

 

Yes.

 

Bernie is winning Michigan after some polls having Hillary up 20 points.

 

It's a FIRE.

What your advocating is PICKING SIDES. Instead of being EQUAL. THAT is what YOU are not understanding here.

You think Police get to pick and choose what laws they get to enforce? Someone they catch with a bag of crack in their pants gets the same handcuffs put on them as the cartel member smuggling kilos of Coke across the border.

"Oh, it's a dumpster fire. Better leave it alone...there's a hospital on fire across town."

Yeah, it doesn't work that way. And neither does racism. And if you even TRY to justify this, then you REALLY ARE racist.

Fuck me. We are TRYING to move on from racism in this country! This kind of shit is holding us back!

 

I don't think Bernie has set a limit. But the fact is, if he took it all, we would still run a giant deficit.
The last President to have taxes that high was JFK, he was the one that got it down to 70% for the top bracket.
Eisenhower was not a Republican, he wasn't even a good General, he was a politician General and he became a Republican because there was no one at the top at the time he wanted the job.
Not the worst President ever but a piss poor Commander in Chief.

 

I love it. Go Bernie!

 

I can't get myself to understand why you think that way but whatever, you do you man.

 

But Racism isn't a fire. You can't claim "hey, I don't want to be called a nigger. Oh, white people are called Honky, Crackers, and Rednecks? Well....sorry, but we had racism first."

That's a school yard mentality. And if you honestly feel that way, then you can't claim to be against racism, since you're not taking ALL racism seriously.

You're against RACISM. Not "against Racism for black people". Or "against racism for Hispanic people". Racism touches EVERYONE. So why not treat it with equal disgust and disdain?

Why is that so hard to understand? No-one for a minute is suggesting that black people have it easy when it comes to racism. ALL I am saying is that racism effects EVERYONE, and it's about time EVERYONE got on board to fight it, and stop picking sides. Especially when it comes to Politics! All that does is divide this country even further, not bring us together.

King marched and held hands with white people during the Civil Rights era. Why don't we see Sharpton or Jackson do that?

 

And if you want, I can post hundreds of additional pictures showing the same.

 

Alright. Fair enough.

But boy, it sure doesn't seem like they do. And no, it's not just Fox News saying that.

And have they addressed gang violence in poor areas around this country? Or just when there's cameras pointed at them?

 

You seem to be biased in what you notice. Sure, there are going to be more Blacks marching with them because so many of their marches are on black-centric topics, but especially over the past 20 years they have both been very inclusive.

 

And why is racism a "black-centric topic"?

There's nothing biased about what I'm noticing. I'm simply asking the hard questions, like why they believe that racism only applies to them.

And you have to be blind not to notice that.

 

It's usually not just about racism, but specifically about how Blacks are being unequally treated. Incarcerated at much higher rates, abused by police at higher rates, live in areas with lesser education and job prospects, and so on. These issues should matter to you, and me, and everyone, but the fact is that most of the people who are moved to go join marches are people who are affected by the policies or actions being protested. So there may be 10% Blacks in a city, but if there is a march on the killing of a Black person by police, likely 90% + of the protesters that show up will be black. This doesn't mean that whites aren't included in the march, or that Jackson et al. aren't happy to march with White people. Just that those who are affected tend to be the ones who show up.

A non-race related example. Certainly over 51% of the population voted to legalize weed in OR, but just about everyone who actively worked on the campaign was a regular pot smoker. It doesn't mean that they weren't happy to have the support of non-smokers and occasional-smokers, but the laws were going to affect pot smokers more, so they were the ones naturally moved to work on the campaign.

Both Jackson and especially Sharpton have made some horrible comments in their past. But they have also worked for many great and noble causes. Over the past 20 years, the positive greatly outweighs the negatives.

 

Now that was a reasonable answer, thank you.

Yes, they have. And I'm not totally convinced that it hasn't been just for political purposes. It's those kinds of comments that further divide this country, rather than bringing us together.

I will say this: I am utterly convinced that the Media is the biggest culprit in all of this; racism and political divide alike. On BOTH sides of this issue.

For example, and this is MY opinion, I don't believe that police violence happens AS MUCH against black people as the media attempts to portray it. And I'm talking about UNJUSTIFIED violence, NOT such things as justified shootings.

And yet, what's the first thing that the media portrays? The RACE of each individual involved. They don't even wait to put it in the body of the article; they splash it right across the headlines.

That's just wrong. And it's one of the many things, when it comes to issues such as race, which continue to divide this country.

I'm a Gun Owner. I also tend to vote Republican. I have NO issues against anyone who's black. I've gone to the range with black people, I smoke cigars with black people at lounges, and I've even gone to sporting clubs and games with black people. They don't wake up every day, blaming me or other white people for their woes in life. Nor do I believe the majority of them do.

But you wouldn't know that when the headlines you read are "Racist People support Trump". Do you know how insulting that is? It makes me want to spit. And that is the kind of bullshit we ALL need to get rid of.

It's kind of hard for me to try and not be racist myself when I read about such things like that. I go "you know...why even bother? Are they really that racist, that they think of US as racist just because of the party we support? And what does that say about THEM and their party?"

It's difficult, and I don't have all the answers here. But I will say that BOTH sides need to stop this shit and work harder to bring people together. We don't always have to agree on everything. But I would hope that this is one area where we DO agree on something.

 

Well I agree that all sides need to take racism seriously and work on fixing racial inequities. But sweeping real issues under the rug doesn't fix things. Believe it or not, what we are doing right now, even with the vitriolic baiting, is what will hopefully help over the long run.

I think calling people racist is the wrong way to go in most circumstances, which is done too often on these boards, but that's not because the term is correct or incorrect, it's because that word inhibits conversation and lessens the chance of growth. But especially when talking in the abstract, like "racists support Trump" I think we need to call things as they are. And yes, racists do support Trump at a much higher rate than they support other candidates. This does not mean that all, or even most Trump supporters are racist. It also doesn't mean that some racist don't support other candidates. But as evidenced by Duke supporting Trump, the White power robo-calls, and the 16% of Trump supporters thinking that the white race is superior, I think it's pretty evident and clear to say that racists do tend to follow Trump.

Personally, I have no idea if Trump is racist, but I do think he is using race and racial tensions very purposefully to get a pool of voters that most candidates wouldn't go after. I think this is wrong, but it does not make him a racist. It could just make him sleazy. This is my opinion.