Fox News offered to hold a Town Hall for the democrats

I think you pop off. Then I think you should point to where you have any firm evidence to back up your wild claim.

 

That's fair enough, well said.

I think, overall, the Democrat party has used race and racial issues to both forward racism in this country through divide, or to garner votes. I believe, based on what I have seen and heard over the years, that many beliefs and policies forwarded by Democrats have actually divided many black communities by telling them "yes, you ARE inferior to white people and you DO need handouts from the government, so you should trust in the same government that enslaved you and denied you rights for decades."

And that's the lowest of the low, in my opinion. I mean, it's no wonder black people don't trust the government! I sure as fuck wouldn't! Hell, I don't even trust the Government with my Civil Right to own a gun! I can't even imagine what it's like to be denied basic Civil Rights to the point of being a second-class citizen.

Because that is NOT how many black people WANT to be spoken to. They don't want to be told they are inferior. They don't want special treatment. They don't want Government hand-outs or help. And they sure as hell don't want divide by using racist tactics.

So I suppose it works both ways. Like you, I too have heard about the 16% number of racist, and that White Power groups are using robo-calls in areas of the country. And I agree with you: that is below sleazeball; that's just wrong, and none of us should put up with it.

And the same goes for Sanders. Despite my statements otherwise on other threads here, I don't know for certain if Sanders is racist. But dammit, it pisses me right the fuck off when I hear "white people don't know what it's like to be poor." Because I've known TRUE poverty in my life, and I'm white. He's lucky he didn't say that to me; I would have had some choice words for him.

I'm glad we can come to some understandings on this topic, instead of bickering and moaning. It's good to have these conversations without getting all emotional. If we, as a country, want to move forward, and truly put a nail in the coffin of racism, then sooner or later we are going to have to move past this.

It DOES NOT mean that we forget the racism of the past, and stop acknowledging it. It simply means that we come together somehow and acknowledge problems on both sides of the isle and find common-ground and similarities in our differences that we can use to come together and bind up our wounds.

But it's going to take effort from both sides, and it won't happen over night. And I believe that the way it's being done right now is only further dividing this country instead of bringing us together.

 

I couple things.

The Democrats certainly do use racial issues for votes, just as the Republicans do. Some of those Dems and Repubs may be truly genuine in their statements while others may be purely conniving in their selection of sides and exploitation of racial and other topics for their own political gain. In fact, this is at the heart of why I'm not a Hilary supporter (Although I may end up voting for her) I believe her to be fair weather regarding most issues, no real convictions. I don't see the D's views however as racist in general, but the way some of them may placate one group or another for votes as extremely distasteful.

In all honesty, this is what I see Trump doing, but I see him choosing certain sides that I see as dangerous and racist. So he and Hillary may have the same motives for their political stances, to garner votes, but I see the brown-scare coming from Trump as having deleterious effects on our nation. I am well aware that views of wanting to secure boarders, minimize visas, limiting relations with other nations and many of the other stances can all be easily justified without any racial prejudice. But when those views are all pooled together with statements about women, about the evils Mexicans often bring, concerning the Kenyan birthright of Obama, and a host of other topics they tend to leave me feeling like what's at the root of all this is something more sinister. It also leads the KKK, White separatists and many other extremist groups to vocally endorse Trump.

We don't live in a world where one side own the virtuousness and the other the evilness in life. The lines are blurred for several reasons, there are individuals advocating for their beliefs, there are multiple reasons why one person might hold a single belief. It's a complex issue but I think the least Trump, or Hillary, or Bernie or anyone can do is be blatantly clear regarding their motives. When questioned about Duke and the Klan supporting Trump, there shouldn't have been a moments thought that didn't include condemnation. Sure, hours later Trump said the right things, but this was a long enough time to let the hate groups feel like this guy is really on their side. Nobody decent, be they R or D should for a split second consider not wanting to piss of the Klan. It proved to me that he and Hillary are the same personalities, just that Hillary agrees on the issues with me more.

 

Bull shit, this is simply righteousness to the point of naive.The Klan was broken and discounted years ago, but whom ever remains you think of as Klan has a right to vote, as do most Americans.
It will be a sad day when the righteous gain the power to decide who votes. If there is a Klansman voting, I hope he votes with me, although I suppose it would be helpful if he bragged about supporting Hillary.

It strikes me as more of a problem having the righteous beginning to determine who is decent by the support they receive from Americans.

 

He never said they couldn't vote Marz or that he was righteous. Those are your definitions which are sort of calling his stance bullshit, naïve...isn't that in fact determining decency?

 

nope.