This team is really pissing me off. I have never liked Skiles especially when he draws up the most assanine game ending plays all the time. Like, "How about getting the ball to Ben Gordon after he has torched the Rockets for 16 4th quarter points?" No, he wants to give it to Kirk HinBRICK who was 1-10 before that miss at the end of the game. Im seriously dumbfounded with some of his coaching tactics. Does he even know what we brought the rookies in for? Let me refresh your memory Skiles, defense, long arms, athletiscm, DEFENSE... It pains me to see the worst backcourt in the NBA (Duhon and Hinrich) go 1-13 with a wopping 2 POINTS! I don't care who you are, you just don't win games when your backcourt sucks like that. Another mind boggler was how Skiles decided to put Hinrich on Tmac in the 4th when Deng was guarding him just fine. Hinrich is 5 inches shorter than Mcgrady while Deng is 1 1/2 inches taller, not really seeing the logic there. You can't possibly keep starting the same 5 much longer, in fact I'd like to see it change NOW! Throw Duhon out, throw Hinrich out, put in Thabo Sefolosha and put in Ben Gordon the best backcourt the Bulls have right now, and I would even go as far as to start Michael Sweetney a guy who can score down low and is capable of putting up 20 and 10 on ocassions. After all in college his junior year he averaged 23 ppg nearly 11 rpg and 3.5 bpg, I could give a sh*t how fat he is, he's a big body that can demand a double team if he starts to get into a rhythm and open up more jumpshots for Deng or Gordon. Have Nocioni come off the bench where it doesn't matter if Noc starts or not he puts up the same stats regardless.PG GordonSG SefoloshaSF DengPF SweetneyC WallaceThat lineup is a more athletic lineup than what we have right now. Let Thabo go through his rookie mistakes but anything is better than Hinrich or Duhon right now, ANYTHING!
I promise you took the words right out of my mouth, or should I say thoughts right out of my head. T-mac stuffed it on us after Deng stop guarding him. He wasn't doing much of nothing. We had an answer for his 6pts. first half. Then coach Skiles come with his bright ideas.He already knows he should start Thabo, that's why he used him when Capt. Kirk was injured. His loyalty to Kirk is costing us games. And he just robbed Ben Gordon of his starting position. IDK! He is clueless when it comes to logical game ending plays that the Bulls can actually execute and win with. I've seen the Bulls down by one and him set up a 3pt. shot play. Of course it didn't work. He should have went for an inside 2pts. and if all failed they may have gotten a foul. IDK!It's frustrating.
oh wow..did you even watch game??there was gay calls..and kirk was a suck up thay should of let ben shoot..BUT no thay didnt but housten had a alot gay calls thay should of won by 20.....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vicki842 @ Jan 8 2007, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I promise you took the words right out of my mouth, or should I say thoughts right out of my head. T-mac stuffed it on us after Deng stop guarding him. He wasn't doing much of nothing. We had an answer for his 6pts. first half. Then coach Skiles come with his bright ideas.He already knows he should start Thabo, that's why he used him when Capt. Kirk was injured. His loyalty to Kirk is costing us games. And he just robbed Ben Gordon of his starting position. IDK! He is clueless when it comes to logical game ending plays that the Bulls can actually execute and win with. I've seen the Bulls down by one and him set up a 3pt. shot play. Of course it didn't work. He should have went for an inside 2pts. and if all failed they may have gotten a foul. IDK!It's frustrating.</div>Great minds think alike I can't wait untill the day where Skiles is fired or takes a leave of absence and some no name coach coaches them to like 10 wins in a row.. I sometimes wonder if I could coach basketabll better than Skiles but then I realize im just a kid and forget about it lol! I also wonder if he just hates all rookies and plays favorites. To me, he does. Skiles Favorites starting with the most favoriteuhon- Isn't it obvious, all teams in the NBA except this one would have stopped playing duhon after his horendous shooting performances the last 10 games or more. In fact he is 3 for his last 52 attempts! Like what the hell?!?!? But I have been assured he isn't broken...Malik Allen- He brings in this fogy alot and it bugs me to the point of madness. All of Malik's minutes should go to Tyrus Thomas. Malik Allen is a slower less athletic Nocioni who is only in there for offense and he is the defenition of a black hole. What goes in doesn't come out.Kirk Hinrich- I kind of like Kirk but there is something wrong with him. Ever since the end of the 04-05 season he has really sucked it up. His assists and rebounding have gone down and his scoring has been inconsistant. There is absolutely no reason why he can't be a 17 ppg 8-9 apg player absolutely NONE! I realize he is probably tired from the USA team this summer but if he doesn't come back strong after the Allstar break we need to find a way to get rid of him.Adrian Griffin- Old man Grif is what I call him. He runs like Peg leg Pete. He is just so old and slow he doesn't belong on the Bulls, nuff said.PJ Brown- Nuff said, he's old and done like 2 years ago.Players Skiles refuses to give more minutes when they should be playing:TyrusSefoloshaGordon- Our leading scorer is getting 27 mpg? Are you kidding me?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (david @ Jan 8 2007, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh wow..did you even watch game??there was gay calls..and kirk was a suck up thay should of let ben shoot..BUT no thay didnt but housten had a alot gay calls thay should of won by 20.....</div>Shooting 30 something percent doesn't right a team to win by 20, that comment was hard to even read. Please take more time to use spell check maybe. Think before posting. Both teams had turd stink offense.
I also dont like skiles... I think Paxson should bring pippen in. Yeah I said it pippen.. But as a ast coach to start off.....But WHY would you want gordon at PG. Gordon cant even defend anyother PG in the leauge. Then you want a rookie to start the rest of thegames???skiles is looking a little smarter then you right now ..........Also maybe skiles starts Duhon and Kirk cause he doesn't want to be to small in the backcourt.....Gordon would make sooo many turnovers at PG right now . He isnt ready for that....Also have you also thought that maybe kirk is shooting bad cause they want him to shoot??? Hes not that type of player. Hes a pass 1st player.. You cant have a backcourt made up of two pass 1st players. doesn't work. I think if gordon was to start it will be hard for kirk has he has to help gordon alot more then he does duhon...... But I respect kirk hinrich so much..... Even though he hasnt had a good game scoring wise in a while but look....Vs nj... he defends Carter AND kidd ... Gordon cant....Vs Suns .. Nash and Barbosa.... Gordon cantVs Pistons Hamilton .. Gordon cant... Kirk also defends billupsVs the rockets... I didnt see the whole game but I did see him on TmacAnd yet people still want kirk to get 18ppg 8 apgThis kid is bussing his ass everynite and the refs show kirk no respect.But kirk shows up when we need him the most.... PLAYOFFS........ 20+ppg anyone??? ok then kirk plays on an other level in the playoffs and weknow that.so dont worry...There is just know way you have kirk becoming a 6man. I want him to play PG all season then we can see what kirk is made of.. Gordon needs to become a better defender 1stEDIT... Also wanna add. I thank skiles for haveing this young core playtogether and learn to defend. But now he got to take us to the next level which he hasnt.... Time to find someone else to coach us
I agree that Ben G is not ready to be the starting point yet, but I wish Kirk would get out of his slump. I do however think Ben G should be starting at the 2, despite the size issue. I don't think he will play like he did at the start of the season, as he has always taken a month or so to warm up...I would love to know why the switched Deng for Kirk on T-mac however, I know KH is a good defender, but I think he gives up way too much size to T-Mac...I still say we are second round and done this year, then next year we really step up.One last thing, I wonder if the Bulls players are starting to drown SS out, and as for Sweets, how can he play major minutes if he will get winded by being out of shape??
This happens to kirk everyyear... Hes in a shooting slump. After the allstar break im sure kirk will be kirk again
Well, after last night this is starting to get ridiculous. I can say that we have had some losses to Western Confrence teams and get away with calming myself, but the Wizards game was a huge Eastern Confrence game and we blew it.I'mnot giving up on them and cannot (Hey, I watched every game in 98-99 and 99-00...), but I am gettibng sick of the middle team of the pack nonsense.
quit cryingthe bulls arent in NEARLY as bad of a situation like a lot of other teamsyou guys have at least had a taste of success in your lifetime...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jan 11 2007, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>quit cryingthe bulls arent in NEARLY as bad of a situation like a lot of other teamsyou guys have at least had a taste of success in your lifetime...</div>I'll give you that, and I feel bad for PP, but I sat through those three or four years we were the Clippers of the East myself. Eventually it will come around... :happy0144:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BuLLzDoMaIn @ Jan 8 2007, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I also dont like skiles... I think Paxson should bring pippen in. Yeah I said it pippen.. But as a ast coach to start off.....But WHY would you want gordon at PG. Gordon cant even defend anyother PG in the leauge. Then you want a rookie to start the rest of thegames???skiles is looking a little smarter then you right now ..........Also maybe skiles starts Duhon and Kirk cause he doesn't want to be to small in the backcourt.....Gordon would make sooo many turnovers at PG right now . He isnt ready for that....Also have you also thought that maybe kirk is shooting bad cause they want him to shoot??? Hes not that type of player. Hes a pass 1st player.. You cant have a backcourt made up of two pass 1st players. doesn't work. I think if gordon was to start it will be hard for kirk has he has to help gordon alot more then he does duhon...... But I respect kirk hinrich so much..... Even though he hasnt had a good game scoring wise in a while but look....Vs nj... he defends Carter AND kidd ... Gordon cant....Vs Suns .. Nash and Barbosa.... Gordon cantVs Pistons Hamilton .. Gordon cant... Kirk also defends billupsVs the rockets... I didnt see the whole game but I did see him on TmacAnd yet people still want kirk to get 18ppg 8 apgThis kid is bussing his ass everynite and the refs show kirk no respect.But kirk shows up when we need him the most.... PLAYOFFS........ 20+ppg anyone??? ok then kirk plays on an other level in the playoffs and weknow that.so dont worry...There is just know way you have kirk becoming a 6man. I want him to play PG all season then we can see what kirk is made of.. Gordon needs to become a better defender 1stEDIT... Also wanna add. I thank skiles for haveing this young core playtogether and learn to defend. But now he got to take us to the next level which he hasnt.... Time to find someone else to coach us</div>What do you mean Gordon can't guard PG's? Hell, Shooting Guards in this league are the ones that Hinrich guards and they are the best players usually. It won't be as difficult to guard a point guard rather than a 2 guard unless he's Chris Paul. Besides the reason Thabo starts is because of his ability to guard the bigger guys. Gordon and Hinrich are too small of a backcourt and with the recent rebounding struggles that would be hell waiting to happen. Gordon may not be ready to start at PG but he needs to learn down the road because its likely that will be the position he will be asked to play at wether it be for the Bulls or another team where they already have size. There is no reason Tyrus and Thabo shouldn't be playing more minutes. Chris Duhon gives you absolutely nothing but Skiles would rather die then sit Du.Actually on the score yesterday I heard Paxson make the comment when asked on why the rookies don't play he said, "I GUESS, he can't find the time to play them" That sounds an awful lot to me like he disagrees with Skiles rotations as do most of us. If you look at PJ's efficiency rating it is below Tyrus Thomas in about 10 more minutes. One last thing, for Sweetney to get as many DNP's or Coaches Desicions as he is is ridiculous. We need scoring from the post and he is the ONLY player the Bulls have that can give us that. I don't care how fat he is, he can give us something we don't have and haven't had since Eddy Curry.
Yeah your right on alot of points.. I hate the way skiles does most of his work.But if gordon starts to play PG which he has.. They keep kirk at the 2 sometimes when hes in there with gordon which I think is dumb. Where does this leave Captain kirk?? hes not a SG and seeing him there is killing me. Hes not a shoot 1st player.. Hes a PG.I raither see Kirk traded then play SG for much longer. I love kirk but skiles is holding kirk back. I would love to see kirk with the lakers or Cavs. I mean skiles wants Duhon at PG more then Kirk. Kirk is being a man and not complaining about him playing SG but you can tell he doesn't like it.. He has to stop the best player on the other team and get 20ppg. Which he has done the last two games33 and 9 then 19 and 10 .. I dont see why skiles played kaparka.... how eva its spelled over tyurs and thabo. I didnt understand that. PJ is ok sometimes but also takes alot of shots. I raither see sweetney out there. Yeah hes fat but he does what we need.If kirk keeps playing SG I say we trade him to the cavs for larry ... A real SG.. and if lakers I dont know who we can get.
Also, do you ever notice every time Sweetney comes in and plays say around 15-20 minutes he puts up 12 points and 8-9 rebounds with a couple of blocks? That's because he has done it in college and his efficiency rating is probably one of the best if not thee best on this team. He is a great scorer in limited minutes.His problems are he is slow which is obvious. Whenever he makes a move it takes him ten lightyears to make it and winds up fading away alot of the time with no sense of the basket. He also likes to sometimes do too much. When he is out there he tries to make every play and is sort of a black hole although not as much as Malik Allen.But his good intangables outweigh the bad. I like how he rebounds for a 6'9 PF, almost like a poor mans Elton Brand is who he reminds me of with more girth. If given the minutes and Im talking starters minutes I could see him puting up 15 ppg and 8 rpg with 1 or 2 bpg. How often we forget that this guy is the same one who got drafted 9th overall because he dominated in college with amazing statistics. Skiles just refuses to play him which is hindering his maturation process. Yeah maybe Skiles knows more than us but for some of us who have played basketball before and have a high basketball IQ know that some of his ideas and rotations are moronic. Who knows, maybe my dream will come true and we lose 3 more in a row and Skiles gets fired because of it and we wind up with Rick Adleman.
Yeah but sweetney fouls alot. I dont know if you saw me say I wouldnt mind paxson bringing in pippen to help us out. I think he has good coaching skills. Might be better then skiles.. Skiles is more of a college coach. I feel hes holden back Kirk Gordon Tyurs and Thabo
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TOMSPY77 @ Jan 11 2007, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'll give you that, and I feel bad for PP, but I sat through those three or four years we were the Clippers of the East myself. Eventually it will come around... :happy0144: </div>try sitting through 15 years of near mediocrityim just sayin hahabut yeah... the Bulls really need to make a move if they wanna be a championship team...they're that one move away..
My hope is for Rick Adleman, he would bring excitement to the Bulls. Also might I add that we need a true offense! That pick and roll motion crap works in college but in the pro's its not as effective. I like the triangle but unfortuanetly none of the coaches would install this. It is a great offense to run and the Bulls could run it well if they had a big man that can pass. Wallace is good but the center isn't really involved as much its mostly the PG and SF in other words Kirk to Deng. Aside from that I actually think Pax might make a move before the deadline, probably no blockbusters but he might get a guy like Ely or Webber to come in or hopefully get rid of Chris Duhon and Malik Allen for someone like a Deshawn Stevenson someone who can slash or Trevor Ariza. This team is only a post player away and a better point guard from contending. Until then, im not sold at all on this team. They will always be average as long as Scott Skiles is there coach.
