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  1. riverman

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    I can get anybody a job who wants to work in a small city here in Oregon...where I work they have a hard time finding people who are willing to do the work..most of the coworkers I work with come from immigrant backgrounds and are hard working.....most local americans who do the job quit within a week or two....I don't believe for a second that our native borns are competitive in the labor force...I'm not talking about highly skilled work, but labor jobs. No company imported my coworkers or my wife...they worked hard to get here and keep a job. They deserve respect for that...not that there aren't exceptions but my experience is that we have some lazy assed American born young folks living less than ambitious lives. I can't feel sorry for them
     
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    Why should they have to work? A lot of the beggars use the money on drugs, alcohol, or going to dottys so they can play video poker. And they literally have to put in zero effort other than wearing shitty clothes. There's a group of them on 82nd that all live together, drink and hang out at dottys all the time.

    I agree with you about people being lazy. I'll never understand it. I've worked hard to get the things I have and am proud of what I've done. Lots of people don't want to put in the elbow grease and sacrifice to get there though.

    Put in the hard work at a young age, and life gets so much easier in your 30's and 40's, health permitting.
     
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  3. MarAzul

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    What is this? You are not a handicapped thinker, incapable of logic. Do you get your jollies stoking the discord? Perhaps, a pay day?
     
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    I'm not the one who thinks more people means white people have fewer jobs. That's a big logic fault on your part.
     
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    I would be proud to stand vigilant next to American made holes of glory with my 17 automatic weapons.

     
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  6. MarAzul

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    Geez guy! It is black people that are in the worst shape for jobs.

    "The BLS economist also provided us with unpublished data for 16 to 19 year old high school graduates who are no longer in school. The unemployment rate in the second quarter of 2015 stood at 17.2 percent for white people (page 7), 30 percent for black people (page 13), and 17.8 percent for Hispanic people (page 25)."

    http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/sanders-overstates-unemployment-rate/

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    See Denny race baiting some more (white people) above. What do you think is his motive?
     
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  7. Denny Crane

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    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/08/26/Are-Immigrants-Really-Taking-American-Jobs

    The persistent belief that foreign-born workers are stealing jobs from native-born Americans is the product of a well-documented fallacy that has been repeatedly debunked by economists, Megan reports.

    “Blaming immigration for declining employment ultimately rests on the flawed belief that economies can only produce a fixed number of jobs and that for every job occupied by an immigrant, a native-born worker must be unemployed,” he writes.
     
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    Stating these claims as fact hardly makes them true.

    If there are 18 jobs available, and 10 American workers looking, along with 10 immigrants looking, all 10 of which get a job and only one American, then the employer would need to raise the
    wage offer to fill the other 7 jobs. The government would not need to set the minimum wage, the market place does.

    If there are 18 jobs available, and 10 American workers looking, along with 0 immigrants looking, and only one American takes the job, then the employer would need to raise the wage offer to fill 9 more positions. Perhaps immigration would need to me looked at to fill the other 8 jobs but only if we knew how many people the Country can support considering our current population trajectory. Continuous growth is not possible forever.
     
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    Logic flaw on your part.

    If immigrants buy groceries, it creates demand for food made by Americans, grocery store workers, etc. Creates jobs, not takes them. Growth is created by DEMAND, and more people means more DEMAND, whether the people are immigrants or native. Makes no difference.

    If there are 18 jobs and only 10 native workers looking, there will still be 18 jobs and 10 looking.

    The study you refute is factual. Your logic and refuting of it is just wrong.
     
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/29/m...-myth-of-the-job-stealing-immigrant.html?_r=0

    The chief logical mistake we make is something called the Lump of Labor Fallacy: the erroneous notion that there is only so much work to be done and that no one can get a job without taking one from someone else. It’s an understandable assumption. After all, with other types of market transactions, when the supply goes up, the price falls. If there were suddenly a whole lot more oranges, we’d expect the price of oranges to fall or the number of oranges that went uneaten to surge.

    But immigrants aren’t oranges. It might seem intuitive that when there is an increase in the supply of workers, the ones who were here already will make less money or lose their jobs. Immigrants don’t just increase the supply of labor, though; they simultaneously increase demand for it, using the wages they earn to rent apartments, eat food, get haircuts, buy cellphones. That means there are more jobs building apartments, selling food, giving haircuts and dispatching the trucks that move those phones. Immigrants increase the size of the overall population, which means they increase the size of the economy. Logically, if immigrants were “stealing” jobs, so would every young person leaving school and entering the job market; countries should become poorer as they get larger. In reality, of course, the opposite happens.
     
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    All of these assertions or statements are incorrect.

    Immigrant do not increase demand. More employed workers increase demand. It makes no difference whether they are foreign or domestic in origin. unemployed do not increase demand beyond whatever support the government hands them.

    Immigrants do not steal jobs, they usually take jobs at a lower scale of pay, lower than the native population is willing to accept. It has approximately the same effect as importing slaves instead of hiring workers, although it is probably cheaper than maintaining a slave in good condition.

    I take it you see no way to put millions black people unemployed to work in any case, so bring in those that will work for the lowest possible wage the government will make legal. They are in way worse shape than any other group, 23.3 percent unemployed in the worse off group.

    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm

    Too bad these people, we hear have suffered so much, now a being undercut by an uncontrolled influx of workers willing to labor for less than native population.

    That is my view, a racist view, say you.
     
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  13. Denny Crane

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    But you say the immigrants are taking white peoples' jobs. So which is it?

    :lol:

    At any pay, they have to eat. Creates demand, more jobs.
     
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    Putting more black people to work is complicated. The education system is failing them, white politicians move government money out of their neighborhoods, and white people move away, taking the bulk of the wealth with them.

    Those are just starting points, but there's a lot more to do.

    It doesn't help that government has outlawed many black enterprises.
     
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  15. MarAzul

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    I think it meets your needs to say it. I didn't.
     
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    You don't seem to like black people or mexican immigrants. Who's left?
     
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    Read it and weep.

    You keep repeating the Lump of Labor Fallacy.

    Each time you do, it's still a fallacy. Bad logic.

    You cannot repeat it enough times to make it not a fallacy.
     
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    What are you?
     
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    It should not matter, but it does to you.
     
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