definitely a good move to get rid of francis. he's clearly not the same guy he used to be. he's old and not going to get any better so it's better to just buy him out. we have enough guards as it is. it's good to get rid of another guard.
I think its a dumb move that they would want to get rid of him without getting anything in return. They could get something for him. Some teams like the Sixers would still take a chance on him and that is apparent because Billy King is interested in him. His stock is obviously not as high as it used to be, but he isnt worthless. But it is good that they want to get rid of him. Giving more minutes to Nate and Crawford is definitely a good thing.
The Knicks are doing good getting rid of Francis, although they wont get much for him (if anything) they need him out of there, he isnt doing anything for that organization except getting hurt, hogging the ball, and slowing the younger guys' development. His attitude and play is doing nothing for the Knicks so why not get rid of him?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So go ahead and have Jalen Rose, Allan Houston, and Steve Francis on the NYK payroll despite the fact that they don't wear a New York jersey anymore (that's retarded you know that?)</div>Houston's contract runs out at the end of this year, I dont know about Rose though. I would rather pay a guy not to pay than pay a guy to cause problems and not even be that good of a player on my team. Just doesn't make sense to keep him now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ProStix#6 @ Jan 9 2007, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So go ahead and have Jalen Rose, Allan Houston, and Steve Francis on the NYK payroll despite the fact that they don't wear a New York jersey anymore (that's retarded you know that?)</div>No it isn't. I rather see Nate Robinson, Mardy Collins, etc. get more minutes instead of this chump.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ProStix#6 @ Jan 9 2007, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So go ahead and have Jalen Rose, Allan Houston, and Steve Francis on the NYK payroll despite the fact that they don't wear a New York jersey anymore (that's retarded you know that?)</div>My fault I forgot. Larry brown is on there too. You know what Mardy? You could probably make the payroll if you try hard enough. Isaiah Thomas will do anything.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ProStix#6 @ Jan 9 2007, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>My fault I forgot. Larry brown is on there too. You know what Mardy? You could probably make the payroll if you try hard enough. Isaiah Thomas will do anything.</div>Those guys werent helping them at all, if they are not helping the team and holding back other guys that could possibly help than I would rather not have them. It amkes more sense to pay a guy not to play and not to hold others back when he isnt doing good than pay him to screw up the team even more, the Knicks are in cap hell but those guys werent necessarily helping them and neither is Francis.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I think its a dumb move that they would want to get rid of him without getting anything in return. They could get something for him.</div>With that contract? Sixers are only interested if he's bought out from this rumor. It would make no sense for them to trade for him.Also, prostix, unless the Knicks wait till he's an expiring contract, they will not field any offer until then. So their basically paying him anyways, what's the difference? Expiring contracts these days don't bring in a lot of talent. Their better off creating a roster space then keeping him as deadweight.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ProStix#6 @ Jan 9 2007, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>My fault I forgot. Larry brown is on there too. You know what Mardy? You could probably make the payroll if you try hard enough. Isaiah Thomas will do anything.</div>Who?...Your one of the dumbest posters at this site. You know nothing stagetically about sports...And why do you bold everything, your such a fag.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jan 9 2007, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who?...Your one of the dumbest posters at this site. You know nothing stagetically about sports...And why do you bold everything, your such a fag.</div>beast alert This is a good move IMO for hte knicks. Steve Francis is the definition of plague, every team he goes on loses game after game. The Knicks are doing a good move by relieving their HEAVY backcourt and giving players like Jamaal Crawford and Nate Robinson more time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jan 9 2007, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who?...Your one of the dumbest posters at this site. You know nothing stagetically about sports...And why do you bold everything, your such a fag.</div>If the Knicks had any truly dependable guards, I would be all for it. But Nate is erratic at times, Q-Rich and Jamal Crawford are very streaky, and Balkman's not ready yet (I still don't agree with the pick they could've gotten Rondo or Shannon Brown among others). You see Mardy, you're about "addition by subtraction". But when you may have an opprotunity to get something on return, you don't just give him away. And do you see the team that is rumored to sign him? It's the Sixers, who are in the same freakin division as them. Don't let the record fool you. As long as you're in that division, all you need is a three-game win streak or two and you're right back in the thick of things. So the Knicks need to man up and work with what they have and not think that they're making everything better by throwing money at everything and buying out Steve Francis.BTW, I bold everything to stand out from idiots like you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ProStix#6 @ Jan 9 2007, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If the Knicks had any truly dependable guards, I would be all for it. But Nate is erratic at times, Q-Rich and Jamal Crawford are very streaky, and Balkman's not ready yet (I still don't agree with the pick they could've gotten Rondo or Shannon Brown among others). You see Mardy, you're about "addition by subtraction". But when you may have an opprotunity to get something on return, you don't just give him away. And do you see the team that is rumored to sign him? It's the Sixers, who are in the same freakin division as them. Don't let the record fool you. As long as you're in that division, all you need is a three-game win streak or two and you're right back in the thick of things. So the Knicks need to man up and work with what they have and not think that they're making everything better by throwing money at everything and buying out Steve Francis.BTW, I bold everything to stand out from idiots like you.</div>The Sixers probably only want him if his contract is bought out. Unless King is retarded he wouldnt take another completely useless long-term contract who wont help his team to play next to Webebr. Nobody is gonna take Francis, a 15 million dollar ballhog when they are trying to rebuild. That makes no sense and it makes no sense for the Knicks to keep this guy
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wade2shaq93 @ Jan 9 2007, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Sixers probably only want him if his contract is bought out. Unless King is retarded he wouldnt take another completely useless long-term contract who wont help his team to play next to Webebr. Nobody is gonna take Francis, a 15 million dollar ballhog when they are trying to rebuild. That makes no sense and it makes no sense for the Knicks to keep this guy</div>So he's worth nothing to the Knics? That's bs & if anybody actually looks at the situation, you'll see that he's not the one that needs to go. Why is everybody calling for Steve Francis's head when he hasn't that much time to be judged this season. think about it: He was around for only 26 games last season, and that was with Larry Brown who had already given up on the Knicks by that time. Coming into this season he was hobbled by injuries and did his best to contribute in the 21 games he has appeared in this season. I don't think he has been given enough time to determine whether he actually fits with the Knicks. If anybody deserves to be bought out, It is Stephon Marbury. this is his fifth season with the Knicks, and what has transpired in that time is diagraceful. He has said idiotic things (remember he proclaimed himself the best PG in the league?), taken bad shots (as always), and has never matured into the stable leader the Knicks always needed.Bottom line is: I would definitely take Steve Francis over Stephon Marbury.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Jan 9 2007, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, this only makes the Sixers more worse. Which I think is the most logical step for them right now. Ridding of Miller's contract, taking on Francis for probably the vet min this year. Saves towards cap after this season. I think it's a good plan for the Sixers, then keeping Miller who helps the team.</div>It would make the Sixers worse, and it would get them a higher draft pick this year. Great. What about next year, though, when they have no real point guard? And there are no standout PG's in this draft class either. They need a playmaker. With Andre Miller feeding these young guys the ball, it help their game. They get easier oppertunities. Not to mention, Francis' negative energy would not be good for the young guys. They need a bunch of hard working young players that come in to the gym every day wanting to improve. They need guys with good attitudes around there.I'm sorry, but bringing in Francis for a year and dealing Andre Miller, just to get 1-2 spots higher in the draft, is NOT the way to go for a rebuilding organization.
CB I think you forget the following year has some good pgs in the making coming out. There's no reason to keep Miller whose aging and does not want to be apart of a rebuilding team. Their better off ridding his 2 year contract and creating cap space. One year of Francis helps boost ticket sales to end the year and gives them a legit shot at a higher pick.
Well I thought they could trade him for webber... But I doubt philly wants the contract of steve. thats maybe why they will wait for a buyout then sign him
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Jan 10 2007, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>CB I think you forget the following year has some good pgs in the making coming out. There's no reason to keep Miller whose aging and does not want to be apart of a rebuilding team. Their better off ridding his 2 year contract and creating cap space. One year of Francis helps boost ticket sales to end the year and gives them a legit shot at a higher pick.</div>But Francis is not the right fit. If they are going to do that, then deal Miller for someone else. Francis is a bad locker room presence and he's a very selfish player who needs iso's to be effective. Philly doesn't need that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>But Francis is not the right fit. If they are going to do that, then deal Miller for someone else. Francis is a bad locker room presence and he's a very selfish player who needs iso's to be effective. Philly doesn't need that</div>Well I never proposed Sixers trading for Francis. I'm thinking this would be similar to C-Webb, a vet signing. I've been proponent since the Miller trade for him to be shipped. Despite his positives, I think it's more positive for Sixers to move him for cap relief and picks. In 2 years, is Miller really going to be apart of this Sixers rebuilding process with his age? I don't really think so and I think what's why it's best they part ways. Also, what's the big deal in bringing in Francis this season? It's already ruined. Sixers are best making it worst. Then after the season, he's done with and they can go about their offseason moves.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Jan 10 2007, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well I never proposed Sixers trading for Francis. I'm thinking this would be similar to C-Webb, a vet signing. I've been proponent since the Miller trade for him to be shipped. Despite his positives, I think it's more positive for Sixers to move him for cap relief and picks. In 2 years, is Miller really going to be apart of this Sixers rebuilding process with his age? I don't really think so and I think what's why it's best they part ways.</div>I know you didn't say trade for Francis, but you did say get Francis and deal Miller elsewhere. And I agree that Miller and Philly should part ways due to the long-term plan, but they are better off trading him in his contract year where his expiring contract has extra value.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Also, what's the big deal in bringing in Francis this season? It's already ruined. Sixers are best making it worst. Then after the season, he's done with and they can go about their offseason moves.</div>Because, why bring in a cancer and a selfish ball-stopper when you want to get your current young players some experience and touches?
If the Sixers sign this guy if he will end up being bought out I will be extra mad.And Billy King should watch his car, and stuff cause Philly fans won't be happy. lol
