If we re-state this team sucks

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  1. kreidertime

    kreidertime Well-Known Member

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    I absolutely think the Rangers eat half his salary because McIlrath and Skjei won't be making crap the next 4 years so it's not a big deal. Clearing a roster spot and freeing up 2.75 is much more important. That 2.75 can be used for either part of Kreider or to pay McIlrath, Fast, Skjei and Lindberg combined.
     
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    chuckd3534 Well-Known Member

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    We'll agree to disagree. I see no way at all the Rangers will have all that dead money on their cap when every cent is precious to them.

    And for the record, if they get Girardi to waive his NMC, I don't think they will have to eat 1/2 his cap hit to move him. Getting G to waive the NMC is the biggest hurdle IMO.
     
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    kreidertime Well-Known Member

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    Not so sure about that. It would have to be a very young team like the Oilers who want a veteran presence to help kids. Other than that, I'm not sure how many takers they would have.
     
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    mrmel29 Well-Known Member

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    As long as torts is coaching there will be a taker for girardi
     
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    mrmel29 Well-Known Member

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    Dump, I agree with AV after one off year but don't underestimate the effect a bad after season interview from hank can have there. I don't think av and gorton philosophy mesh and don't think it would take gorton much to pull the plug and put his own guy in there. Management also can't be happy about the burying of dylan all season long along with the disappearance of lindbergh for awhile now.
     
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    AV's not going anywhere, he's done an excellent job all things considered with some, let's just say 'deficiencies' on the roster. And you guys continue to way overrate McIlrath. He's not near ready for playoff hockey, not that Girardi is really all that much better at this point in his career.
     
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    kreidertime Well-Known Member

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    And you continue to have your head up your ass on McIlrath 71. He was the teams best defenseman at one point until Klein and McDonagh got it together. Saying he is not ready for playoff hockey is a joke. He's better than Girardi and Boyle in his sleep right now. Those guys at this moment, f'n suck. Nobody can say a player isn't ready for playoff hockey. You have no idea. You have to watch them do it but based off of his play this year, I want him over Boyle at the very least.

    While I don't think AV is going anywhere it's a good point about Hank. If Hank destroys him, it could be a problem.
     
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    Yandle is going to want too much money that the Rangers don't have. No doubt he's one of the top offensive dmen in the NHL but defensively he's brutal which is a playoff killer. Have to hope he responds to the Rangers keeping him to go for it, can help his paycheck with a big postseason. Hayes is an interesting situation as $2.85 of his $3.75 cap hit came via a bonus, not sure how these numbers will factor out his next contract but I hate letting guys with his size walk. I agree this team's future hinges on dumping Nash, think they could get away with keeping G or Staal but one has to go.
     
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    Poking around HF before the Mets start, saw this: http://espn.go.com/blog/craig-custance/insider/post?id=7356

    For those without insider:

    "Gorton wants to keep Yandle beyond this season, but as we pointed out to him, the math doesn’t work.

    “You guys also did the math and said we couldn’t get Staal too,” Gorton said. “Things happen. Keith is a really good player having a really good year. We’d love to keep him. How we do that, I’m not sure yet. We’ll cross that bridge when we get there. Right now, we just need him to play well, continue to do well, be a good teammate, be good on the power play and help drive our team.”

    To get the math to work, there would have to be subtractions. Dan Boyle and his $4.5 million salary come off the books. But it’s hard to see a scenario where all three -- Yandle, Marc Staal and Dan Girardi -- are back on defense next season in New York. Oh, and Staal and Girardi both have full no-movement clauses in their deals.

    Presented with this scenario, one Eastern Conference executive said the solution that makes the most sense would be a trade involving Staal, because Girardi would be tough to move.

    “Just mapping out their salary structure, to me, the guy would be Staal,” he said. “If they have to, I think they could move him. They might feel differently.”"


    As I've said before, there will be a better market for Staal than Girardi. Younger, less miles, better pedigree. Our best shot is letting E. Staal walk, and M. Staal agrees to waive to follow him. They both have very young kids which like it or not is going to factor into the decision. Marc Staal isnt moving his kids to Edmonton. I'm still holding out hope Toronto will want them but with Lou now there who knows. I think Babcock would take them though. Also a plus is that Skjei is a natural replacement for Staal in both style and position. He is not a natural replacement for G.

    McDonagh - Klein
    Yandle-McIlrath
    Skjei-Girardi

    I would be completely fine with that defense for the next 2 years.

    Also still do not understand all the hate Yandle is getting here. If you have a Porsche you dont ditch it because it isnt great going offroading. You use a different car to go offroading, and when you're stuck in the Porsche on some rough terrain you ride it out and hope for the best. He's going to make defensive lapses but hes also going to make offensive plays that no defenseman this team has had in years can even dream of. He puts one-timers on a tee and has resurrected the power play. Keep him pair him with McIlrath and watch that pair grow together for years.
     
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    chuckd3534 Well-Known Member

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    I am whatever on Yandle, but like I said...he will not be back unless we can move Staal or Girardi...that is obvious IMO. And if given the choice I would rather have Yandle here with Staal OR G over letting Yandle walk and keeping Staal and G.

    We'll see how it shakes out this summer. But to me we simply cannot have all 3 guys here, Staal/G/Yandle, and this article says that as well.
     
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    McIlrath on the 2nd pairing? Now you guys are just out of control.:) They need to find a way to move Girardi and keep Eric Staal.
     
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    What's out of control? Yandle-McIlrath was far and away the best pairing this team has had all year.
     
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    Only way they sign Yandle is if they feel Skjei can play the right side with AV being such a thickhead always wanting 3 righty and lefty defenseman.
     
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    kreidertime Well-Known Member

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    HF and OTG also have the dumbest hockey posters in the world. Those boards are so moronic it defies belief. Keep in minds the moron posters on those boards loved Torts and Renney and didn't want to hear anything else. Not to mention they always think all our prospects suck on those boards. If you are a Russian prospect in the Rangers organization, on those boards they love you. If you put up points, they love you. If you are a player like Fast, you're useless on those boards.
     
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    I have never been a get on AV guy, but he does puzzle me with his decisions on D. Again McIlrath out tonight...Boyle in for the 25th or so straight game. I really don't get what he is seeing. He really needs to get McIlrath a couple of games before the playoffs start.

    • Rick Nash, Derick Brassard, JT Miller
    • Chris Kreider, Derek Stepan, Mats Zuccarello
    • Eric Staal, Kevin Hayes, Jesper Fast
    • Tanner Glass, Dominic Moore, Viktor Stalberg.

    Both Oscar Lindberg and Dylan McIlrath are skating as extras.
     
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    chuckd3534 Well-Known Member

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    I also think he is a little bit lost with some of these comments:

    • "If you analyze our last two games, other than the first period in Carolina, I have liked how we have played. We are not going to be perfect but we haven't given up a lot opportunities and offensively we have generated a lot and spent a lot of time in the other team's end, we have been working on some subtle little things that we can do that would make it better with the zone time but I like how we are playing. This team will be ready to play and play hard and we will need to get focused and get ready."

    • On needing consistency, "we played better last game than people give us credit for, we didn't give up a lot but it's a game where you need results and we need to manage the puck well and when we manage the puck well we look fast and make the right plays and a lot of that starts from the back end and if we can have our D move it up and move it up in the right fashion it's going to help our whole process."
     
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    chuckd3534 Well-Known Member

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    Buffalo goes up 3-0 on breakdowns and mistakes and he says outside of the first period in Carolina I like how we have played? And that includes a third period in Carolina where we really didn't play well and lost a 3-2 lead....being outscored 2-0.
     
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    You liked the way we played and we played better than people gave us credit for. Really AV?? Bwahahahahahahahahahahah. He is officially delusional and needs to go
     
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    FIRE AV!!!!!

    :)
     
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    Yeah..that"s the answer..just like putting McIlbuffoon in the lineup for the playoffs.
     

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