OT Charles Barkley wants NBA to pull 2017 All-Star Game out of Charlotte

soul brutha too beau-coup

 

My reductionist take: Genitals are hardware, Sexual Orientation is firmware, and Gender Identification is a deep, kernal-level, software setting.

Point is, who gives a fuck why they are the way they are; anybody with a bit of humanity and empathy can make room for their happiness in the world.

 

And babies are a Trojan horse virus!

 

Great stuff, Denny.

Eventually, and this is where the trans movement really is in a spot where the gay movement was about 30 years ago, society will get to a point where that story will be "I had a man who worked for me once. He was an outstanding assistant and great at his job. He saved up his money while working for me and paid for his reassignment operation."

(This is not a jab at you; perhaps your assistant preferred she/her pronouns?)

There's some terminology and jargon and ways of seeing people that don't happen by default that in a couple of generations hopefully will. I have a couple of friends who are trans, and they admit there's a lot to ask people who haven't had any exposure to consider as part of letting them pursue their happiness. Hell, a lot of the community is actually completely closeted (again, like the gays of the 70's/80s) because it's just too much overhead and risk to deal with.

But as people grow used to the idea of folks existing outside the binary defaults, it will stop being a big deal. Trans folks in non-western cultures often have levels of respect paid to them that go back to prehistoric times. A lot of accepting the LGBTQ community is re-discovering that acceptance that used to be there before large political structures fucked it all up for them.

 

EDIT: THIS ENTIRE POST WAS BASED ON A MIS-READING OF DENNY'S POST (I THOUGHT HIS EMPLOYEE WAS FTM, NOT MTF). I AM A MORON.

Unfortunately, you don't get to make the rules; it's not your culture.

Part of the courtesy and respect involved in interacting with a trans person is addressing the identity which doesn't always match the appearance; this is an imperfect analogy, but it's like bowing as part of formally meeting a Japanese person; you could demand a handshake, or assume a handshake, but it's generally agreed that it's respectful to bow if they prefer a bow.

Years ago this wasn't even a thing trans people felt they could ask others to do, so it might not have been a thing when you and your assistant were interacting. But nowadays, it's a thing.

Anyway, if a person tells you their preferred gender pronouns, the expectation is that you'd use them. If they spent the money to go through gender reassignment surgery, chances are they preferred he/him (but who knows?). I do know that, for a lot of trans people, others using their preferred pronuns around them makes them feel good, and that not using them, even by accident, can make them feel bad to varying degrees. Some trans folks have some dark psychological shit just under the surface, waiting to eat them alive if the world doesn't accept them. A self-hatred born from knowing exactly the difference between what people (including themselves) see and what they feel inside.

It's just a courtesy, like calling a coworker by their preferred nickname. It feels like a big deal at first, a bigger deal than the nickname thing, but it becomes an easy for you over time, and benefits the trans person a lot (because it is usually a big deal to them); they have something they own and control, and when that's respected by others it's reaffirming.

 

EDIT: THIS ENTIRE POST WAS BASED ON A MIS-READING OF DENNY'S POST (I THOUGHT HIS EMPLOYEE WAS FTM, NOT MTF). I AM A MORON.

Again, all that wasn't to diminish your actions; you are a more tolerant and accepting boss than many out there, and I'm sure that's appreciated. And also if your assistant didn't care about the pronoun thing or try to correct you, then it wasn't a big deal. Everyone is different, and should be afforded that courtesy individually.

But what you did as a boss was super-cool. It's kind of sad that "treating a trans person like a human being" needs to be recognized as super-cool, but that's where they are right now. It's early days for their acceptance still.

 

Indeed; no matter how it's expressed (I like "Be excellent to each other" personally), it's powerful if you take time to think about how it NEEDS to be applied, and how it isn't.

 

Oh shit; I mis-read your aside as (female -> male). Totally my fault!

 

Some trans women pass well, some definitely do not. Both situations deserve the same courtesy (I know you know this, but I'm just re-stating it for the cheap seats)

 

A ransomware phishing scam.

 

I can, I never ask.

 

So what are you going on about? You're comment doesn't seem to have anything to do with the law NC passed.
As far as I know, homosexual people have been using the same bathroom with other of their sex since restrooms, and that isn't changing.

 

People just want to go to the bathroom. Let's not make it any more complicated than it needs to be. Go wherever you feel comfortable, do your business, and please flush. That's all I ask.

 

Yeah! I don't even know how I would know, if some gal wanted and did use to use the mens restroom. I am sure she wouldn't be using the urinal, but hell, I still wouldn't know unless she got it on my shoes too.

I think rub comes when some dude wants to use the restroom with your grand daughter. It doesn't set right you know! After all some rest rooms are assigned either sex, and some are assigned by sex, Men, Women. It does seem like this is within the scope of lawful business of a State Legislature. I would say the 10th amendment covers this area and North Carolina has acted accordingly.
Charles Barkley seems to be out of his league here. He may disagree with the action but that is the nature of laws passed by majority opinion.

It doesn't seem right at all, that and extremely small minority of people, Trans-gender should have any power to over ride the majority represented by the legislature's vote.
There is nothing anti gay or anti anything in this action. The law also prohibits me from using the girls room. I don't consider that anti MarAzul, just another of many rules in society set by the majority.