Batum trade revisited

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  1. Orion Bailey

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    See I don't think Nic would have ever been any better here than what we saw. I think the trade was good and a great long term improvement.
     
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    This thread is about a TRADE not the TEAM. The REALITY is that Aminu wasn't a part of the trade.
    Nobody is arguing that the TEAM is worse off (though it could be made, but that's not the discussion). Aminu only factors in at the team level, not the trade level.
     
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    Yeah... he won the jacket last year... he was the defending champion.
     
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    I don't care about 1 dimensional Crabbe. And you're wrong about not having Harkless.
     
  6. Orion Bailey

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    Okay, but based on the responses... regardless of who made the thread or who they want to include in thew discussion. Its pretty clear many here feel the trade cant be isolated like that, because there's too many x factors.

    Gonna have to agree to disagree.
     
  7. Natebishop3

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    Yes, we made the trade for a shooting guard and power forward and then WENT OUT AND SIGNED A REPLACEMENT SMALL FORWARD.
     
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    Read @blue9's post above.
     
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    Trade Straight up...

    For the Season
    Henderson
    1431min 624pts 211reb 75ast 39stl
    Vonleh
    1148min 277pts 300reb 29ast 26stl
    Total
    2579min 901pts 511reb 104ast 65stl

    Batum
    2448min 1046pts 428reb 403ast 65stl

    discuss
     
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    We had not signed Aminu yet, so how you could not include him is ridiculous. How do you know he would have signed here if we didn't have a vacancy at the starting small forward spot?
     
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    And AGAIN we could've moved Nic over to SG... The question is:

    Do we think we should've done the trade?

    My answer is no.
     
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    So what happens with CJ in that equation?
     
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    I don't think some people are looking at all the chips and how they fell but just focusing on A chip and how it fell...
     
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    Let's take a look at that genius idea -

    Nic has been primarily playing shooting guard this season for Charlotte. Here are his numbers compared to CJ

    http://bkref.com/tiny/076cT

    CJ - 20.9 ppg, 4.3 assists, 3.2 rebounds, 1.2 steals
    Nic - 14.9 ppg, 5.8 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 0.9 steals

    Lets look at the shooting percentages:

    CJ - 44.8% FG, 42% from three, and a TS% of 54.5%
    Nic - 42.6% FG, 34.8% from three, and a TS% of 54.6%

    PER:

    CJ - 17.7
    Nic - 15.7
     
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    And again....then you have to bring CJ into the equation. This was a year about player development. And we still could end up with a higher seed than the year before.

    My answer is yes.
     
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    It's not ridiculous at all. And you seem to be getting pretty worked up about this. Not sure why. The bottom line is regardless of CJ's improvement. I think we could have the exact same team now only with Batum instead of Vonleh/Henderson. I fully believe with 30+ mins off the bench CJ would be up for 2 awards instead of one.
     
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    Jesus dude..
     
  18. Natebishop3

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    You wanted to start Batum over CJ at shooting guard. I'm showing you how much better CJ has been this season.
     
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    CJ comes off the bench for 30+ mins per game and wins 2 awards instead of 1.
     
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    Or we don't know what we have in CJ and he doesn't blossom like he does.

    I can see both sides.
     
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