It's a Mags, Mags, Mags, Mags World

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  1. riverman

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    but does it turn your eyeballs red and yellow?
     
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    Sadly, I think if Trump goes against HiLiar, he's going to be the next president.

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    A couple weeks ago, it was Clinton +10.x, last week it was +9.9, now it's +9.3.

    And Trump hasn't really begun to campaign against her. It wouldn't surprise me if he does to her what he did to Jeb.
     
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    I think if a 72 year old communist gave her a run for her money, any republican will destroy her.
     
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    You run a great board. You really know how to maintain a light touch.

    Just wanted to say that in case I don't get to say it before you croak. My conscience is clear.
     
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    Both Sanders and Trump talk mostly about trade deals in their stump speeches and that seems to resonate with the masses.

    I tend to agree with Trump that the deals were badly negotiated. Though I like them in principle. If it were up to me, NAFTA would have included a clause requiring both Canada and Mexico to allow our Unions to organize wherever our companies build factories there.

    I'm pretty sure that is the only flaw in the deals.
     
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    Also, while I think the press has an obvious agenda and a massive effort against Trump, we're not getting a fair picture of him. That said, his comments about women, mexicans, muslims, etc., are clearly nationalist and nazi-like.

    I don't agree with his nationalist proposals at all. It's scary to think he'd get elected and have a chance to enact some of the worst/inhumane things he's proposed.

    There's little libertarian about him. Not at all interested in voting for him.
     
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    He is definitely not the perfect answer, but I think a necessary tool to break through silly ideological issues that suppresses support for the right. I think it's important for the GOP to pivot away from ideologies like abortion, gay prohibitions and religious foundation.

    Let the churches defend themselves and stop forcing the Feds to intervene. True Freedom is allowing all ideology to practice freely, as long as it doesn't go against the constitution.
     
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    Or you could just vote Democratic. That would also help the GOP pivot away from their pet social issues. Probably more effectively, too, since Trump is unlikely to rebuild the party in his image, even if he wins.

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    FDR promised a chicken in every pot. Trump promises a 40-foot wall in every back yard.
     
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    Trump wants to punish women for abortions and keep Muslims out of the country...how is that going to pivot anything in the GOP I'll never understand. If you want radical change from the status quo in D.C. to me that would be Bernie..problem is that he's never going to win an election. The campaign is closed for me now...any choice I would like to have had is not available so it's another election where I vote against the worst possible choice and I've concluded Trump is the worst possible choice
     
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    I disagree. I think the GOP will always exist and I would rather have a fiscal conservative than a widely reckless spending progressive run our country.
     
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    The Gotcha hypothetical question was silly. He was asked "If abortion was illegal?" And he answered logically. This is why the ideology is stupid. Because if it's truly illegal, the women would be punished. Never understood why pro-life people think otherwise. This is why many progressives were able to debate the issue vs. pro-lifers easily. It's doesn't make sense.
     
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    I agree (well, "always" is surely an exaggeration, but let's agree it will continue to exist for the foreseeable future).

    So you want to change it by voting for Trump? That isn't going to happen. If he wins the election, Republicans are not going to remake themselves in his image. That's probably not even possible given that his candidacy is more about personality than policy. You can already see that if you look - even though Trump is having success in the primaries, you don't see any Trump wanna-be's emerging. Nobody downballot is modeling their campaign on his. Republicans are not adopting his policy positions.

    And in the much more likely event that he loses (or fails to get the nomination), the Republicans will forget about him 100x faster than Mitt Romney. It'll be like he never existed.

    And you think Trump is a fiscal conservative? What gave you that idea?

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    So says the cultist.
     
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    This is an example of mischaracterization of his positions.

    He doesn't want to make abortion illegal. His answer was to a hypothetical question.

    He doesn't want to keep Muslims out of the country. He suggested a moratorium for entry of Muslims until we're satisfied we can screen for terrorists.

    That said, the wall, the moratorium, and many other statements are obnoxious at best.
     
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    I think this is where many aren't really understanding the Trump movement. It's not as much about him, as the "Time to blow up the establishment"

    I can't find the article right now, but there was one that showed how Trump actually helped the down balloting. I'll look for it and post it when I can.

    Typical misunderstanding of the Never Trump groups, writing him off for the last year. Writing him off has historically been the wrong prediction.

    I didn't say he was a fiscal conservative, but his cabinet will be. Trump is definitely more fiscally conservative than anything the Dems field.
     
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    No he doesn't. You're buying into the media bias against him.
     
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    He definitely backtracked on all those statements and that seems to be his MO....let's say that I cannot trust him to make any important decisions and leave it at that..vote your conscience. Won't be the first bad president if he does get elected
     
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    nah...it's really a personal bias and it's free of charge
     
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    You know 711 was the first responders right?
     

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