<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinoy Balla @ Jan 12 2007, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>KOBE BRYANT.Look at the players who have won 3 straight MVP's and Nash doesn't rank in that category. Kobe deserves it. Leading his team with a team that isn't that talented and is young. Just a thought of people who won 3 straight MVPsMichael JordanBill RussellWilt ChamberlainLarry BirdMagic JohnsonNash isn't in their league. All have won atleast won 2 or more championships and Nash has not yet made an apearrance in the finals. Nash doesn't come into anyone's mind when people think of those players.</div>Yes, but when Alvin Robertson got a quadruple double did they say "sorry, you're not as good as hakeem, drob, or gilmore so you didn't get the quadruple double". When Delk scored 50 did they say "sorry, you're not good enough to have scored 50, we're changing your stats". That's what it's equivalent to
It doesn't really matter what type of stats a player has when his team isn't that impressive. The Lakers were too close to mediocrity last year for the voters to give Kobe the MVP.Had the Lakers won 50+ like they are on pace for this season then he more then likely would have ran away with it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Diawsome @ Jan 12 2007, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It doesn't really matter what type of stats a player has when his team isn't that impressive. The Lakers were too close to mediocrity last year for the voters to give Kobe the MVP.</div>You mean the media was too overly biased.
No way, hes not going to win it. Just to tell you all something. I hate Nash out of every player in the NBA. I just hate how he plays and what he looks like when he plays. I would rather play with the worst player in the NBA then with Nash. I mean, he is good and all but I just don't like him. And I think he doesn't deserve MVP. The game he just played against the Raps I watched. All he did the whole game was run up to the net and throw it behind his back to his teamates. He gets more assists every game then points. Sure that might be why the Suns are doing so well. But by what I have seen. This guy can't shoot as good as a lot of players out there. I think the MVP will goto Arenas or Lebron this year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stealth @ Jan 12 2007, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No way, hes not going to win it. Just to tell you all something. I hate Nash out of every player in the NBA. I just hate how he plays and what he looks like when he plays. I would rather play with the worst player in the NBA then Nash. I mean, he is good and all but I just don't like him. And I think he doesn't deserve MVP. The game he just played against the Raps I watched. All he did the whole game was run up to the net and throw it behind his back. He gets more assists every game then points. Sure that might be why they are doing so good. But by what I have seen. This guy can't shoot as good as a lot of players out there. I think the MVP will goto Arenas or Lebron this year.</div>I don't see LeBron winning it as of right now. He numbers are all down from last year. Wait a bit for him to improve and see him get more aggressive. People are saying that he is tired but that is no excuse.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ginger Jesus @ Jan 12 2007, 05:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And other people, but not Ginger Jesus.rapeface mcballhog will not get the mvp this year, the lakers wont finish well enough.</div>again desprate rants from a suns fan who hasnt even watched the lakers this season...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Jan 12 2007, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You mean the media was too overly biased.</div>No...he got it right. You have to have a good team to win an MVP, just being important on a mediocre team won't win it for ya. That's why I think Dirk should have won it. His team had the record and he was playing some great ball.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 12 2007, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No...he got it right. You have to have a good team to win an MVP, just being important on a mediocre team won't win it for ya. That's why I think Dirk should have won it. His team had the record and he was playing some great ball.</div>But that's not the point. The Lakers would not have even made the playoffs last year without Kobe. The Mavs might have been able to sneak in the playoffs even without Dirk. But I agree, he was playing some great ball.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Jan 12 2007, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, but when Alvin Robertson got a quadruple double did they say "sorry, you're not as good as hakeem, drob, or gilmore so you didn't get the quadruple double". When Delk scored 50 did they say "sorry, you're not good enough to have scored 50, we're changing your stats". That's what it's equivalent to</div>Yeah but that was only 1 game. players I listed have 1 atleast 1 championship during their regular MVP season and Nash had 2 years of MVP and didn't even make it to the finals.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stealth @ Jan 12 2007, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No way, hes not going to win it. Just to tell you all something. I hate Nash out of every player in the NBA. I just hate how he plays and what he looks like when he plays. I would rather play with the worst player in the NBA then with Nash. I mean, he is good and all but I just don't like him. And I think he doesn't deserve MVP. The game he just played against the Raps I watched. All he did the whole game was run up to the net and throw it behind his back to his teamates. He gets more assists every game then points. Sure that might be why the Suns are doing so well. But by what I have seen. This guy can't shoot as good as a lot of players out there. I think the MVP will goto Arenas or Lebron this year.</div>lol, you have no idea what you are talking about... you do know that he's 7th at of all the guards in the league in 3-point attempts and he's shooting his 5.3 3-pointers a game at 50.9% right? And that's about 8% better than the next guy. He just may be the best shooter in the league right now, or in the top 3 at least. Having the great court vision that he does and racking up assists is more important than getting points. It gets your teammates involved so you aren't doing everything yourself...2 points 20 assist games do as much damage as 50 points games but just doesn't get all the hype that high scoring does.... Yeah he doesn't deserve MVP because he's not a 30 point scorer or black.
I agree with the whole finals thing I really dont see how he deserves it his name just doesn't fit with greats like Michael JordanMagic JohnsonBill RusselletcBut I do think he deserved it in his first season with PHX with a 62-20 record but he certainly didnt deserve it last season...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Jan 12 2007, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But that's not the point. The Lakers would not have even made the playoffs last year without Kobe. The Mavs might have been able to sneak in the playoffs even without Dirk. But I agree, he was playing some great ball.</div>Would the Suns have made the playoffs without both Nash and Amare for a whole season? No... the Suns were written off by everybody after Amare went down but again Nash had an amazing season and helped us get to a #2 seed that few thought would happen. I think 4 people deserved the MVP last year. It's no crime that Nash won, especially since he improved from his previous MVP season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brando @ Jan 12 2007, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree with the whole finals thing I really dont see how he deserves it his name just doesn't fit with greats like Michael JordanMagic JohnsonBill RusselletcBut I do think he deserved it in his first season with PHX with a 62-20 record but he certainly didnt deserve it last season...</div>History doesn't matter, and it's a regular season award. It's not like he choked in the playoffs or anything either. He has had some great playoff performances so it's not his fault that we haven't gone on. He's given us everything he could. Kobe hasn't passed the first round yet as the leader of his team. :happy0144: If those guys were playing right now neither Kobe or Nash would be getting MVP's, but this is right now and Nash deserved those or was at least one of 4 deserving candidates for the years that he won them.
Even though Nash is having a kick ass year, on principal, they will not allow him to win a 3rd consecutive MVP title. However, if the Cavaliers remain one of the top teams in the east LeBron is a sure win for MVP.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinoy Balla @ Jan 12 2007, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Look at the players who have won 3 straight MVP's and Nash doesn't rank in that category. Kobe deserves it. Leading his team with a team that isn't that talented and is young. Just a thought of people who won 3 straight MVPsMichael JordanBill RussellWilt ChamberlainLarry BirdMagic Johnson</div> For Clarity only Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, and Larry Bird have consecutively won 3 straight MVP awards However, Michael Jordan tallied a total of 5 MVP titles and Majic Johnson had 3 neither had 3 consecutive league MVP titles. FYI, here is a link to NBA history.http://www.nba.com/history/awards_mvp.html
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vicki842 @ Jan 12 2007, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Even though Nash is having a kick ass year, on principal, they will not allow him to win a 3rd consecutive MVP title. However, if the Cavaliers remain one of the top teams in the east LeBron is a sure win for MVP. For Clarity only Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, and Larry Bird have consecutively won 3 straight MVP awards However, Michael Jordan tallied a total of 5 MVP titles and Majic Johnson had 3 neither had 3 consecutive league MVP titles. FYI, here is a link to NBA history.http://www.nba.com/history/awards_mvp.html</div>Well, they all had three in total.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 12 2007, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Would the Suns have made the playoffs without both Nash and Amare for a whole season? No... the Suns were written off by everybody after Amare went down but again Nash had an amazing season and helped us get to a #2 seed that few thought would happen. I think 4 people deserved the MVP last year. It's no crime that Nash won, especially since he improved from his previous MVP season.</div>No, that's not exactly the point either. WITH Kobe, no one thought they were going to make the playoffs as a whole. Kobe basically carried that team to a playoff berth. Without Kobe would just be a blowout IMO.I don't think anyone had a doubt that the Suns would make the playoffs, I mean look at their lineup.
Nash is the front-runner right now for MVP... Bryant, Wade, Lebron and Arenas are close behind though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (7Goat @ Jan 12 2007, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No, that's not exactly the point either. WITH Kobe, no one thought they were going to make the playoffs as a whole. Kobe basically carried that team to a playoff berth. Without Kobe would just be a blowout IMO.I don't think anyone had a doubt that the Suns would make the playoffs, I mean look at their lineup.</div>They may have made the playoffs but probably in the position the Lakers were, or an 8th seed. I don't like Marion as a #1 guy, both Barbosa and House were bad at running the point last year....we'd have some good players but we would've been fighting all year long for a playoff spot. Sure he had more of a supporting cast but he was a huge reason why we were so good. The supporting cast was part of why the Suns team just did so much better than the Lakers. I just don't think a 7th seed ever deserves an MVP. How many teams that low have had an MVP on their team after all these years?
Ignoring the fact that the postseason has NO impact on the MVP award What doesn't make sense to me is that if people are going to use playoffs to judge Nash's worthiness of being the MVP and if he didn't deserve the MVP because he didn't get to the finals or win a championship then why are guys like Kobe or Lebron more deserving when Nash went further then both of them?
That's the thing. Before the season, maybe even 1 month in or so, the Lakers were predicted as maybe 10th in the West. They pick up a D-League player to start for them, their second option can't even prove to be consistent, their superstar is a 'ballhog' and can't lead a team without another superstar presence. This is only a sample of the negatives against them. You may think that a 7th seed doesn't classify a player for an MVP, but when you think of what they were supposed to do on paper, they far exceeded it.This may have a bit of homerism in it... but I'm sticking to that. And just to answer your question, Kareem Abdul-Jabar was the last one to win an MVP with a subpar team, they had 40 or so wins that year. I get that point.
