In a different thread HCP asked why teams didn't double team Lillard & CJ more

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  1. handiman

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    What does distance traveled have to do with double teams? Effective D's double CJ and Dame up top when they have the ball, not when they're running off of baseline screens. That would be silly.
     
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    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    25 wins? :ghoti:
     
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    That is interesting; I couldn't understand why our offense looked so listless in the 2nd half; this seems to explain it. Could it have been avoided; or if they hadn't played so much and worked so hard, would we already be out of the playoffs? Could a different balance have been found?
     
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    It takes a lot of energy to defend that team and outscore them
     
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    And then here is another look at the teams. #1 Portland #2 Golden State. But i find it funny that Curry is no where on the player list? You have to get to the second page to find him.
    http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/team/speed/?sort=DIST_FEET&dir=1
     
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    It's total not average, so obviously curry is low.
    Unless it was ironic, in which case I blame the lack of green font
     
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    No green font needed. I understand it is total. The point is that Curry played 25 mins a game and traveled far less than many other players and still won the MVP award. This with many of his team mates traveling much further than he did.
    The point is that the MVP award is very much a team award. Great players do not get this award without a lot of help from their teams.
     
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    And just for conversation..Why is it obvious Curry is low? Certainly not because of position. Both Thompson and Green are in the top 20? And our PG is second overall.
     
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    I thought it was only post season somehow

    But regardless of distance travelled, Curry was clearly the best player in the nba all season... So I don't see your problem with the MVP
     
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    Never said anything about having a problem with Curry as the MVP. Just an observation about how well he played and how much of an impact he truly had on the season. Kerr kept his minutes low but just the overall dominance of the team helped. Thus the statement " The MVP award is truly a team award"
     
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    I honestly believe Lillard was the most important player to his team's success this season and it's not close...he put this team on his back from the first game tip off...the champs are just getting all the love since they overshadowed MJ's Bulls...there's no shock there
     
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    Well, we all know it's just really a "best player award"
     
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    If you take that angle, you might as well just call his teammates crap. That's not the purpose of the MVP award.
     
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    nah...you missed my point...most valuable player doesn't mean most valuable player surrounded by shitty teams...that's a stretch. I just think Lillard's impact on this roster was more valuable to the win column than any other player
     
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    No, I got your point loud and clear. You're calling his teammates crap if you think the best player on a mediocre team is the league MVP. That means the team would be Philly-level atrocious without him. So, even if you're correct, it would be an extremely insulting award.
     
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    I guess that is one way to look at. The other might be that he is saying Dame did a great job turning a mediocre team into a real good team that had a great year because of his leadership and MVP qualities.
     
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    It's called perspective.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Honestly, I think most teams don't have the personnel to trap/double the way that LAC and GSW have done in the playoffs. We have faced Paul/Jordan and Klay/Draymond. Those are four fairly exceptional defenders. People wonder why Dame is having a rough postseason and that's the reason why. He has been facing exceptional defense in both rounds.
     
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    Defense wins Championships
     
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    no, I'm not calling them crap...I'm calling Lillard the most valuable player to his teams success in the league..I like our roster top to bottom. Check out my preseason projections of 43 wins....but reality is, Lillard is not surrounded by even one allstar let alone two..my definition of MVP
     
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