<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Jan 14 2007, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:shok: Just a complete ignorant post. Speechless. Laker fans don't boo Nash either. Kobe is not selfish(just look at his passing this season) he's not egotistical...you don't even know him. Kobe is the nicest person when interviewed etc. So how the F*ck would you know? Kobe is arrogant...but that is what I love. Jordan was just as arrogant so if you think it's ok for MJ, it is ok for Kobe. Cold-Blodded rapist? He was aquitted and there was hardly any evidence of force and the woman also had sex with 3 other people that night. Flies helicoptors to games, talk about being smart. He saves alot of time instead of driving and is at games way ahead of time. If you have ever seen Los Angeles traffic (worst in the counry) then you would understand. Also, like I said, we don't boo Nash.</div>Neither do you. If you can't say anything bad about him if you don't know him then there's nothing good to be said either. Raja is a good person too, you just don't know him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 14 2007, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You guys haven't been anything for 3 years, you guys are the cocky ones. We are happy our team is doing well, we expect a championship this year too. Just because you guys won in the past doesn't make you guys special. It's just funny how you guys love Kobe so much and get made at anyone who says anything bad about him. I'm sure you guys hate players too. Kobe is a dirty, cocky player and if your team is in a rivalry with his then you are obviously going to hate him. Fans of other teams hate him because of that too. Sure, if he was on my team I would love him, but really some Lakers fans hate Nash but would love him as their point guard. It's not like people hate Kobe for no reason, he's a lot more dirty on the court as Raja is but you always give him excuses for everything. I don't have any insecurities about my own team. I don't really care about the past, right now I know my team is better than yours so it doesn't matter to me. Some of the teams I like have won championships so I know how that feels and it's nice.Laker fans are knowledgeable huh? I don't see it...unless knowledgeable means cocky in LA.</div>And you guys have? Neither of our teams have made any REAL noise in the playoffs and neither has been to the finals. It is funny how you are quick to rule out past success because obviously the Suns' don't have very much. The Suns are the better team right now but the Lakers are good too...so don't just brush them off. kobe is more dirty than Raja? :HAHAHA: Kobe doesn't clotheline people or kick people in the balls. That IS dirty..using elbows while creating a shot in the flow of the game is not. Want to talk dirty talk to Bruce Bowen or Raja Bell. SOME of your teams have won championships? How about just about ALL of OUR teams have won championships. (besides that clippers)Los Angeles Lakers (obviosly)Los Angeles Kings (hockey)Los Angeles Galaxy (soccer)Los Angeles Dodgers (baseball)Los Angeles Sparks (womens' basketball)Los Angeles Rams (football back in the day)I know you are going to say something like 'stop living in the past' etc but I guess it can hurt.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Jan 14 2007, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>perhaps you don't boo nash. perhaps lakers fans on forums don't boo nash. but lakers fans at games, en masse, boo him as much as anybody in the league.</div>I don't recall....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 14 2007, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Neither do you. If you can't say anything bad about him if you don't know him then there's nothing good to be said either. Raja is a good person too, you just don't know him. </div>But I at least judge him by his interviews etc and not because I just think that he is a certain way being 'egotistical' because I don't know him and neither do you or pestilence.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Jan 14 2007, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And you guys have? Neither of our teams have made any REAL noise in the playoffs and neither has been to the finals. It is funny how you are quick to rule out past success because obviously the Suns' don't have very much. The Suns are the better team right now but the Lakers are good too...so don't just brush them off. kobe is more dirty than Raja? :HAHAHA: Kobe doesn't clotheline people or kick people in the balls. That IS dirty..using elbows while creating a shot in the flow of the game is not. Want to talk dirty talk to Bruce Bowen or Raja Bell. SOME of your teams have won championships? How about just about ALL of OUR teams have won championships. (besides that clippers)Los Angeles Lakers (obviosly)Los Angeles Kings (hockey)Los Angeles Galaxy (soccer)Los Angeles Dodgers (baseball)Los Angeles Sparks (womens' basketball)Los Angeles Rams (football back in the day)I know you are going to say something like 'stop living in the past' etc but I guess it can hurt. </div>Kobe elbows more than anyone, so many elbows doesn't just come in the flow of the game and actually reading the book written by Jack McCallum, Kobe got Raja in the balls too during that series. Kobe is more dirty and Kwame's just a thug. Congrats on your championships, it really doesn't make me feel bad. I'm not arguing championships, I'm just saying that I've had that too so I know how it feels. The WCF is making real noise. Lottery and a 1st round exit isn't. You know I'm going to say stop living in the past and I know that's all you can look to.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Jan 14 2007, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But I at least judge him by his interviews etc and not because I just think that he is a certain way being 'egotistical' because I don't know him and neither do you or pestilence.</div>His interviews like the Arenas and Raja Bell ones?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 14 2007, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>His interviews like the Arenas and Raja Bell ones?</div>In the Arenas interview, he was speaking the truth. It's not like he took a shot at him. He said that Arenas jacked up alot of bad shot and made most of them. He DID give Arenas credit and said that he is a great player. The Raja Bell interview, LMAO I love it but truthfully he was just talking back to him. I would have reacted the same way. Who the hell is Raja Bell to whine and act like the world goes around him talking about his problems to the media like a little bi*ch.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 14 2007, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe elbows more than anyone, so many elbows doesn't just come in the flow of the game and actually reading the book written by Jack McCallum, Kobe got Raja in the balls too during that series. Kobe is more dirty and Kwame's just a thug. Congrats on your championships, it really doesn't make me feel bad. I'm not arguing championships, I'm just saying that I've had that too so I know how it feels. The WCF is making real noise. Lottery and a 1st round exit isn't. You know I'm going to say stop living in the past and I know that's all you can look to.</div>Who the hell is Jack McCallum and how does he know everything? Kobe uses elbows...so what. He gets his aggression out during the course of the game and doesn't resort to being viscious by clothelining players. Kobe got Raja in the balls? How do you know? Even if he did, he surely has a right too after being clothelined by him. You also don't have a right to say Kobe got Raja in the balls and say it is alright when Raja kicks other players in the balls.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Jan 14 2007, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who the hell is Jack McCallum and how does he know everything? Kobe uses elbows...so what. He gets his aggression out during the course of the game and doesn't resort to being viscious by clothelining players. Kobe got Raja in the balls? How do you know? Even if he did, he surely has a right too after being clothelined by him. You also don't have a right to say Kobe got Raja in the balls and say it is alright when Raja kicks other players in the balls.</div>McCallum is the award winning, top writer for SI who followed the Suns for the entire season for his book. He knows better than any fan on these message boards about what happened. Kobe got Raja in the balls and got in plenty of elbows and that is why Raja did that. And I know you are going to make excuses for him, but that's what Kobe did and of course he won't say he did so don't start with that. I never said it was alright that Raja did that, I haven't even seen the video yet but I don't make excuses for everything my favorite players do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 14 2007, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>McCallum is the award winning, top writer for SI who followed the Suns for the entire season for his book. He knows better than any fan on these message boards about what happened. Kobe got Raja in the balls and got in plenty of elbows and that is why Raja did that. And I know you are going to make excuses for him, but that's what Kobe did and of course he won't say he did so don't start with that. I never said it was alright that Raja did that, I haven't even seen the video yet but I don't make excuses for everything my favorite players do. </div>Well, I do.
Some of the unloyal bandwagoned fans are the Sun fans I hate the most. Some people are fans of the suns because the oway they play in video games. Laker fans have been following the Lakers all the time and don't come back when they are winning. I have been the a Laker fan since the championship run and haven't left and I don't know how many fans are here since the Marbury era.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 15 2007, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe elbows more than anyone, so many elbows doesn't just come in the flow of the game and actually reading the book written by Jack McCallum, Kobe got Raja in the balls too during that series. Kobe is more dirty and Kwame's just a thug. Congrats on your championships, it really doesn't make me feel bad. I'm not arguing championships, I'm just saying that I've had that too so I know how it feels. The WCF is making real noise. Lottery and a 1st round exit isn't. You know I'm going to say stop living in the past and I know that's all you can look to.</div>Kobe elbows more than anyone? Why hasn't anyone else complained about his dirty tactics before? Bowen hasn't said bleep about it. Not has artest. Nor has any defender that has ever faced kobe. Kobe didn't elbow raja on purpose. He went for the ball reached out and hit raja. I have yet to see kobe got out of his way to elbow him.Karl malone was one guy who intentionally elbowed people. Not kobe.
Kobe threw many elbows and not just that one. I wish I had videos of all of them but it's just impossible to not mean to throw elbows so much, and not just to Raja either. And Kobe's elbow to Mike Miller was the exact same thing as Raja's clothesline but since it's Kobe he can do whatever he wants right and it's just in the flow of the game?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 15 2007, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe threw many elbows and not just that one. I wish I had videos of all of them but it's just impossible to not mean to throw elbows so much, and not just to Raja either. And Kobe's elbow to Mike Miller was the exact same thing as Raja's clothesline but since it's Kobe he can do whatever he wants right and it's just in the flow of the game?</div>Kobe elbowed mike miller because Mike miller elbowed him He made kobe bleed. Kobe got suspended 2 games for that. He wasn't let off without charge.Kobe threw like 3 elbows during the series. But it wasn't intentional. Raja also flopped on nearly all of them.
It looked like Miller was just going up for a lay-up so it was just as intentional as you think Kobe's elbows were and I recall more than 3 during that series, but I'm no statistician so I don't keep track. Raja Bell also got suspended so he got it too. Only difference is that you act like Kobe does nothing but Raja is such a horrible, dirty player. http://youtube.com/watch?v=CtIZf-rDu1w
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Jan 14 2007, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe elbowed mike miller because Mike miller elbowed him He made kobe bleed. Kobe got suspended 2 games for that. He wasn't let off without charge.Kobe threw like 3 elbows during the series. But it wasn't intentional. Raja also flopped on nearly all of them.</div>Never make Kobe bleed his own blood. Anyways, I'm going to make a fresh opinion. Based on ALL fans in general, I can agree that Laker fans are bandwagoning homers.But if it's BBW as a whole, I would say the Lakers fans here are better. The Suns fans are good, but they have way too many examples of bad fans. The only bad fans for the Lakers here are the ones that get 10-50 posts and leave [well most of them]. I'll read this whole thing later and make a response. It's almost midnight and I have to get up at 6.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 15 2007, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It looked like Miller was just going up for a lay-up so it was just as intentional as you think Kobe's elbows were and I recall more than 3 during that series, but I'm no statistician so I don't keep track. Raja Bell also got suspended so he got it too. Only difference is that you act like Kobe does nothing but Raja is such a horrible, dirty player. http://youtube.com/watch?v=CtIZf-rDu1w</div>Nope. Kobe elbowed Miller there on purpose. Miller elbowed him, made him bleed and kobe came back and excated revenge. Kobe deserved to be suspended. Kobe's elbows on raja didn't hurt him. He didn't bleed. Raja flopped on many of them causing kobe offensive fouls. Raja got sick of the "elbows" and what did he do? He didn't elbow him. He clotheslined him. That's taking it a little too far.Kobe got 2 games. Raja 1. I guess kobe got off lightly compared to raja The only person kobe has had problems with is raja. Mike miller and kobe thing is over, both got it eachother and it was over. Kobe's gone at many defenders before and nothing has come out with kobe being dirty. Bowen who has had problems with Vince and ray allen has nothing but praise for kobe. Ron artest has had problems with raja, I recalled he said "he's a dirty player" or something alone those lines. Artest has never called kobe a dirty player and has uttermost respect for him.Only in the mind of suns fans is kobe a dirty player.edit:Let's see raja's bells historyClotheslines kobeKicks the italian dude on the raptors in the ballsThe flagarant on Miller which caused artest to say he wanted to RajaAnd there's more.
Except Reggie right?http://youtube.com/watch?v=XGGnguZG6_QBut yes Bell has problems with Artest too...http://youtube.com/watch?v=WquGPEV0BFsElbows right in the face are just as bad as a clothesline and Kobe did that after just 1 instance wheras Raja did that after being elbowed many times. Raja got hit in the face plenty of times, it doesn't matter if he did a smart thing and made sure we got the foul. It was the playoffs, do you seriously think it would've been right to give a key player for one team a 2 game suspension? Especially after rewarding the other team with a Game 4 win?That flagrant on Brad Miller was just running through a screen I heard. You can't really judge when you haven't seen it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 15 2007, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Except Reggie right?http://youtube.com/watch?v=XGGnguZG6_QBut yes Bell has problems with Artest too...http://youtube.com/watch?v=WquGPEV0BFsElbows right in the face are just as bad as a clothesline and Kobe did that after just 1 instance wheras Raja did that after being elbowed many times. Raja got hit in the face plenty of times, it doesn't matter if he did a smart thing and made sure we got the foul. It was the playoffs, do you seriously think it would've been right to give a key player for one team a 2 game suspension? Especially after rewarding the other team with a Game 4 win?That flagrant on Brad Miller was just running through a screen I heard. You can't really judge when you haven't seen it.</div>Oh come on man, don't act stupid. If it was just as bad, something would've been done. All they did was call an offensive foul on kobe. It isn't like the nba loved kobe and the refs loved kobe, these refs were dogging kobe all season long. Simple fact is raja grabbed kobe's kneck and threw him. That's dangerous. Espeically in today's nba, that's dirty play.Also, yes it would be right. Raja bell's clothesline in today's nba should've been seriously punished to send a message. He was giving a slap on the hand. The suns didn't really need him though. Infact, I thought they played better without him in game 6. It wasn't like raja bell could stop kobe and that's the thing he brought to the suns in the playoffs.Outside of raja bell, kobe hasn't had any lasting problems with a player. Kobe and raja still have bad blood. Artest still doesn't like raja. I ask you this. If kobe was dirty, why hasn't anyone else said something. Bowen hasn't. He has been going against kobe for numerous years. Artest hasn't. Kobe infact hasn't done anything dirty to any other player besdies raja. Raja bell has.
