<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 15 2007, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>More Kobe, and he threw the first elbow...http://youtube.com/watch?v=nBsKmJmNoOo</div>ROFL, did you see were that elbow landed. Kobe didnt even mean to hit him. It's what you call the first subtle move in a fight.Oh come on man, this is getting pathetic.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Jan 14 2007, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Elbows like these? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxqSosg5P1s</div>That's the one elbow everyone keeps talking about. Kobe threw numerous elbows. We blew the Lakers out twice with Raja and Kobe had some bad shooting games but let the excuses continue.And yeah, Kobe didn't really mean to hit Childs. The one game suspension was fair with all the calls the Lakers got the entire series. Yeah Raja threw him down but that's not any worse than hitting someone with an elbow when they are running right at you.
BTW, on that "phantom elbow" did you see that nice pause after Kobe's elbow disapeared behind Raja's cheek before Raja fell? And on the 3rd replay it shows he hit him, then you see the elbow move down before it's visible and Raja is falling.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 14 2007, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>BTW, on that "phantom elbow" did you see that nice pause after Kobe's elbow disapeared behind Raja's cheek before Raja fell?</div>Yeah, the pause helps you see that his eblow if anything barely grazed his face.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 14 2007, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>BTW, on that "phantom elbow" did you see that nice pause after Kobe's elbow disapeared behind Raja's cheek before Raja fell? And on the 3rd replay it shows he hit him, then you see the elbow move down before it's visible and Raja is falling.</div>EditAnd if you saw it from the reverse angle you could see that it did make contact. No, Rajas just going to stand there and get a full elbow in the face. That would be really smart, eh?
The calls the Lakers got? Jesus...let's not go into that again. Are the calls we got that supposed charge on Kobe when Kobe clearly jumped right before Nash got into position or are you talking about the jumpball in which Walton was inbounds when they called it and their hands were clearly on the ball. The contact was marginal which is a no call. What calls did the Lakers get? If anything Kobe was fouled on his way to the game tieing layup at the end of the 4th. Kobe was also fouled in game 1 where Tim Thomas hit his face while Kobe went to the hoop. Even Tim Thomas admitted that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 14 2007, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>EditAnd if you saw it from the reverse angle you could see that it did make contact. No, Rajas just going to stand there and get a full elbow in the face. That would be really smart, eh?</div>Yeah, in the last angle you can that his elbow didn't even hit him. Like I said, if anything it grazed him barely. He then flopped.EDIT: It actually looks like his elbow hit Raja's shoulder...not his face.
I'm talking about Kwame Brown not getting a technical when he stood over Diaw like that. Walton clearly standing out of bounds, picture was in the newspaper and they replayed the play before the next game, all while Diaw was screaming for a timeout and so was Nash. Also, James Jones clearly being pulled back right when he was trying to get the ball at the end of regulation in that game. Kobe pushing Diaw into Smush resulting in a Diaw technical....that's just off the top of my head, I'm sure I could get more if I cared enough to see the series again.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Jan 14 2007, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, in the last angle you can that his elbow didn't even hit him. Like I said, if anything it grazed him barely. He then flopped.EDIT: It actually looks like his elbow hit Raja's shoulder...not his face.</div>You can see it hit him and then his elbow moved down when it was visible in the video. On the reverse side that was posted on a Suns board you could see the indent on Raja's face and once again would you not move if you were getting a quick elbow like that?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 14 2007, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm talking about Kwame Brown not getting a technical when he stood over Diaw like that. Walton clearly standing out of bounds, picture was in the newspaper and they replayed the play before the next game, all while Diaw was screaming for a timeout and so was Nash. Also, James Jones clearly being pulled back right when he was trying to get the ball at the end of regulation in that game. Kobe pushing Diaw into Smush resulting in a Diaw technical....that's just off the top of my head, I'm sure I could get more if I cared enough to see the series again.</div>That Kobe push was incidental regardless. Diaw got a technical for arguing. Walton got a flagrant and that was that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 14 2007, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You can see it hit him and then his elbow moved down when it was visible in the video. On the reverse side that was posted on a Suns board you could see the indent on Raja's face and once again would you not move if you were getting a quick elbow like that?</div>Why don't you post that reverse angle?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Jan 14 2007, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That Kobe push was incidental regardless. Diaw got a technical for arguing. Walton got a flagrant and that was that.</div>Jack McCallum tells me it was called for the push which it was since he would know. :shifty2: Yes it's him again, and what an interesting book it is so far.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Jan 14 2007, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why don't you post that reverse angle? </div>It was posted a year ago and I don't even remember the forum it was in or the title it was under. I can search though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 14 2007, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It was posted a year ago and I don't even remember the forum it was in or the title it was under. I can search though.</div>Way to exagerate. I'm sure you would be able to find it somewhere else like youtube. Or maybe that reverse angle never existed because TNT didn't show that angle.
I found it but it's really crappy since the guy got it off his DVR. It was actually a much easier search than I expected, lets see if I can get it better if I print screen.
Well you can see the indent and you see how Kobe's elbow goes down and that's where you see it in the youtube vids.Oh and btw, when you're dribbling, unless it's intentional, how does your elbow go that far back?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 14 2007, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well you can see the indent and you see how Kobe's elbow goes down and that's where you see it in the youtube vids.</div>Wow. I guess it did hit his face. You changed my opinion on that, nice job. But that doesn't make it Kobe's faut or mean that Raja can clothlesline him....Raja clearly put his face right in front of Kobe elbow (watch it) Which is fine if you want to get fouls on Kobe...if anything that is smart. But now I don't understand why he was whining and complaining about it. If he's putting himself in that position then why would you call out Kobe and say it's his fault? Raja definetly needs a hug. But yeah nice gif...it took forever for it to load. haha
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 14 2007, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well you can see the indent and you see how Kobe's elbow goes down and that's where you see it in the youtube vids.Oh and btw, when you're dribbling, unless it's intentional, how does your elbow go that far back?</div>Edit, I'm so bad at this, I edit like 10 min later. And it wasn't just that one elbow that made Raja do it.
