Politics Enough with the Hillary cult: Her admirers ignore reality, dream of worshipping a queen

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  1. Road Ratt

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    Your very own quote refutes you...

    Beyond that. If I checked all of these sites you quote: AP, Reuters, NPR, CNBC, Bloomberg, UPI, vox.com, Chicago Tribune, CNN, the NYTimes, I'm sure I would find that many are direct donors to Hillary Clinton.

    Here is a list of corporate media donors to Hillary, CNN (owned by Time Warner and Bloomberg being at least two you listed are top Hillary donors): http://www.politico.com/blogs/media...ens-of-media-organizations-individuals-207228

    One word of warning. I will play nice but, never ever tell me what to do.
    I don't tolerate crap like this well. You have been warned.
     
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    Doubtful.

    You expect the economists and news media to sprinkle fairy dust on a turd of a plan and bless it? They're not exactly backing Hiliar's proposals, either. It's just halfway bananas is "closer to realistic."
     
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    Only to those in total denial. I showed proof of the biased story and you refute it with nothing.

    It's not the only time the media has used flawed, or fully made up, data from a think tank study. This study had to retract an earlier flawed study:

    http://thehill.com/policy/finance/279201-study-most-would-see-net-benefits-from-sanderss-proposals

    Of course now that they have shown their incompetence neither study should be used with confidence.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01...e-sanders-plan-reform-wall-st-rein-greed.html

    Sure, 170 economists are a drop in the bucket. But, I don't see any economists coming out in favor of the other candidates proposals.

    I'm not sure where you got the turd from but, break out the shoe polish. The job is yours! :P
     
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    I don't know if Sanders actually said this but I certainly think it is what should be done.

    "that a new 21st Century Glass-Steagall Act, separating investment from commercial banking, must be enacted."
     
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    Straight from Bernie's website:
    It seems like a good plan to me. The oligarchs have been taking down a lot of legislation they don't like by legally bribing our politicians. It is only a matter of time before they cause another financial crisis.
     
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    You showed no proof other than those that study politics on a daily basis think Sanders' plans are economic suicide. Reason to support anyone but him.

    The math doesn't add up to the promise. Where single payer is tried, wait times are outrageous, research is greatly diminished, treatment is denied or drastically delayed, medical equipment per capita is a fraction of ours, medical professionals are squeezed, etc.

    Whoever believes we can save money, add 10s of millions of people to the burden on the system, and maintain a similar quality of care is believing in fantasy.

    In the UK, they have an 18 week referral to treatment requirement. People die waiting for treatment.
    http://www.uclh.nhs.uk/pandv/choosingourservices/18weeks/Pages/Home.aspx

    Wait times in Canada:
    https://www.fraserinstitute.org/profile/bacchus-barua

    Before national health care, Euopean nations produced ~60% of medical breakthroughs. Since, they produce 12%.
    http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v14/n2/full/nm0208-107.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/05/business/05scene.html

    All sorts of good stuff from NBER (I look forward to your attack on NBER). Includes equipment per capita, wait times, and more.
    http://www.nber.org/bah/fall07/w13429.html

    Canadian doctors make dramatically less than their U.S. Counterparts
    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...dramatically-less-than-u-s-counterparts-study
     
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    They are America's enemy. The U.S. is very good at screwing over our enemies economy. I've seen videos that show that the U.S. is putting pressure on our Arab buddies to hurt Russia over Crimea as well as Venezuela. After all that I have seen I wouldn't doubt them one bit.

    This article shows who is currently being hurt by low oil prices. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-29643612
     
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    You showed no proof other than those that study politics on a daily basis think Sanders' plans are economic suicide. Reason to support anyone but him.

    The math doesn't add up to the promise. Where single payer is tried, wait times are outrageous, research is greatly diminished, treatment is denied or drastically delayed, medical equipment per capita is a fraction of ours, medical professionals are squeezed, etc.

    Whoever believes we can save money, add 10s of millions of people to the burden on the system, and maintain a similar quality of care is believing in fantasy.

    In the UK, they have an 18 week referral to treatment requirement. People die waiting for treatment.
    http://www.uclh.nhs.uk/pandv/choosingourservices/18weeks/Pages/Home.aspx

    Wait times in Canada:
    https://www.fraserinstitute.org/profile/bacchus-barua

    Before national health care, Euopean nations produced ~60% of medical breakthroughs. Since, they produce 12%.
    http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v14/n2/full/nm0208-107.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/05/business/05scene.html

    All sorts of good stuff from NBER (I look forward to your attack on NBER). Includes equipment per capita, wait times, and more.
    http://www.nber.org/bah/fall07/w13429.html

    Canadian doctors make dramatically less than their U.S. Counterparts
    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...dramatically-less-than-u-s-counterparts-study
     
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    In space, two aliens are talking to each other...

    The first alien says, "The dominant life forms on the Earth planet have developed satellite-based nuclear weapons."

    The second alien asks, "Are they an emerging intelligence?"

    The first alien says, "I don't think so, they have aimed at themselves"
     
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    Sure. Bernie's plan would "nuke" ourselves. Good one.

    You showed no proof other than those that study politics on a daily basis think Sanders' plans are economic suicide. Reason to support anyone but him.

    The math doesn't add up to the promise. Where single payer is tried, wait times are outrageous, research is greatly diminished, treatment is denied or drastically delayed, medical equipment per capita is a fraction of ours, medical professionals are squeezed, etc.

    Whoever believes we can save money, add 10s of millions of people to the burden on the system, and maintain a similar quality of care is believing in fantasy.

    In the UK, they have an 18 week referral to treatment requirement. People die waiting for treatment.
    http://www.uclh.nhs.uk/pandv/choosingourservices/18weeks/Pages/Home.aspx

    Wait times in Canada:
    https://www.fraserinstitute.org/profile/bacchus-barua

    Before national health care, Euopean nations produced ~60% of medical breakthroughs. Since, they produce 12%.
    http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v14/n2/full/nm0208-107.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/05/business/05scene.html

    All sorts of good stuff from NBER (I look forward to your attack on NBER). Includes equipment per capita, wait times, and more.
    http://www.nber.org/bah/fall07/w13429.html

    Canadian doctors make dramatically less than their U.S. Counterparts
    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...dramatically-less-than-u-s-counterparts-study
     
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    You have shown no proof that Sanders plans are economic suicide. You're just hand waving...

    Siting the problems of other countries isn't proof of what will happen here in America.

    Your links actually show the kinds of problems the U.S. should avoid when implementing the system here. Not that they shouldn't be implemented here in America. :tongue:

    People die in America even without a single payer system. 25,000-45,000 Americans die every year due to lack of health insurance. These numbers may have changed with Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare as some wingnuts like to call it, but I can't find any newer reports than these.

    http://obamacarefacts.com/facts-on-deaths-due-to-lack-of-health-insurance-in-us/

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...s-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

    http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/dying-from-lack-of-insurance/

    Noam Chomsky thinks Sanders has the best plans out of all the candidates:



    Not that any of this matters. Our corrupt system won't allow Sanders to become president anyway.
     
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    Citing the obamacare site? Tell me more about this propaganda conspiracy theories you have.

    Fuck Chomsky. He was a Pol Pot sympathizer. He raved about how great those commies Were as they committed genocide of millions.

    I looked at your "factcheck" link and it's full of data and quotes from.... Drum roll... The URBAN INSTITUTE! Your favorite.

    Tell me more about this propaganda conspiracy theories you have again.

    You can't refute why single payer is worse than what we have. Avoiding other nations' mistakes? How many $trillions of debt is that going to cost us extra?
     
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    Nobody dies from lack of health insurance. No one! They may die from lack of care, but when everyone has the same crappy insurance it doesn't mean they have healthcare.
     
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