This sucker is absolutely dangerous! Shouldn't be allowed to speak to young people!

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  1. H.C.

    H.C. Well-Known Member

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    Once again, your opinion. Completely entitled to your opinion.
    I however choose not to minimize any being on this earth.(sometimes I fail, but it's a goal in my life)

    Also if anyone had came to me with an issue about this SN that was valid...(not saying unneeded things, and was willing to engage in a little dialogue)
    Regardless of what it means to me.. I'd pm some mod and try to get it changed. If wasn't possible to change, I'd stop using the account and or delete it.
     
  2. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I'm fine with your screen name. It's a political statement of sorts. If you ever want it changed, PM me and I'll give you a new name of your choice that's available (like I'd do for anyone).

    The N word was accompanied by physical torture, beatings, killings and lynchings. It's been used historically as a form of terrorism, to threaten people, etc. On a massive scale, for millions of people.

    I can't at all see your screen name being equivalent.
     
  3. H.C.

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    I don't believe I was saying they were equivalent.
    I was pointing out that you said racist has lost it's power because it's used so often

    I then said I'm not sure I agree

    Simply because if calling someone a racist has lost it's power.
    Then to me that would mean the word used for black slaves is also just a disparaging term like "moron".
    I disagree with that. I can't say enough how much I disagree with that.
     
  4. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Obviously you don't agree.

    Racist implies a superiority of one "race" over another. I've never seen a definition in a dictionary, or elsewhere, that defines it otherwise.

    Where people misuse "racist," they really mean discriminatory.

    Honky is discriminatory, but not racist. No black person ever uses the term to imply racial superiority, or in most cases not with any hate behind it. Unlike the N word when used by white people.

    For example:

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    I'm not sure what kind of response you're looking for here. Maybe none?

    I took the time to look up the DOJ's report on the Michael Brown incident. You can read the findings for yourself: https://www.justice.gov/sites/defau...doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf

    I also looked up the internal investigation report on James Perez. http://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/article/99881

    The Brown investigation was done by the DOJ under Eric Holder's direction. I can't think of any valid reason to doubt the findings. Michael Brown made a bunch of bad decisions that day and ended up dead. Wilson's account seems to be supported by the preponderance of the evidence. That said, I'm glad that guy got out of police work. Had he handled the situation differently, it probably wouldn't have turned out the way it did.
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Interesting. Denny is exhibiting sharp, discriminating thinking today in his definitional distinctions. Science would approve.
     
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  7. H.C.

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    I'm well aware of the definition of racism, but thank you for re-defining it.
    However I have also have to state that talking down to someone regardless of the words used is implying you are superior to someone.
    If that person were to be of a different race, one could argue that talking down to someone is racist.
    Simply due to the fact that talking down to someone is believing you are superior to them. Which is the word definition of racism.

    However I don't know why this is even a discussion really. Outside of the fact that you said.
    I pointed out that means
    So at the end of the day I feel you're a little off on this discussion.. Simply because the term racist is far from diluted.
    Perhaps you believe I think the term honky(i) or cracker is racist. I haven't said that though.
    I said people can think what they want ~

    I believe you misspoke though when you said people use the word "racist" that it's become casual and is diluted.
    It's far from diluted.
     
  8. Denny Crane

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    It's certainly diluted. The approach to dealing with racism is radically different than discrimination. Racism is a crime, so to speak. Discrimination is a civil thing. For the most part... Hate crimes tend to be... criminal.

    There are, fortunately, relatively fewer racist goings on anymore. There are a ridiculous amount of discriminatory goings on, and maybe getting worse.

    The way dilution affects things is that calling things (people) racist all the time is an insult to peope who aren't. We roll our eyes, not this crap again. When something actually racist is called racist, people are going to assume it isn't.

    All racism is bad. Not all discrimination is. Consider the military discriminates against people too old or unfit to serve - it's probably just fine.
     
  9. dviss1

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    Wait what? Yeah... I'd disagree with that notion.
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    Most discrimination is though.
     
  11. Denny Crane

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    No, it's just discrimination.

    If banks are redlining black people, it's not because they think black are subhuman/inferior, it's out of hate. A different animal altogether.
     
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    I don't know if you misunderstood me. I'm not saying most discrimination is racism. I'm saying most discrimination is bad.
     
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    I work at a facility that has a lot of fuck ups and certain fuck ups were given a free opportunity to work with a program that finds them a pretty decent job after they are done being fuck ups and teaches them actuall skills for real jobs. All for free. And half the guys chosen were too lazy to go to a 45 minute class. Those are the same guys who have 3 kids with 3 different women and think the only way to get ahead in life is to make rap albums or sell drugs.

    You are practically being handed a job. And it's not some minimum wage bs they teach you skilled labor and get you a good wage. Literally the only reason to turn this down is pure fucking laziness. So no. Its not all luck. At some point you have to realize you need to work hard in life suck it up.
     
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    I still dont get why honky and cracker dont offend me. Its supposed to isnt it? I love being called names, it means ive won psychologically. Im so in your head all you can think of are adjectives to describe me. Mmmmmm, yes. The sweet salty tear taste of victory.
     
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    It depends for me. Honky and cracker are whatever, unless your intent is malicious.

    For instance, being called a haole in hawaii. You can feel the hate and disdain from certain people. And its crazy! I get that you hate white people because your grandparents told you what it was like when shit went down. Terrible, despicable things. Im so far removed from that though, and have empathy for the fact that they feel slighted by white people. They are just judging me on my skin, when you dont know im actually enough native american to get health subsidies, and im predominately irish (with a whole lotta other caucasian crap like russian, polish, german, british etc.).

    I get it, my grandpa hates japanese having seen his best friends getting killed in ww2. But he never tried to instill that hate in me.

    Ive grown up with a pakistani friend thats muslim since we were just kids. And we got in fights as we got older (still friends today) but when he would get mad he would call me and my family a bunch of rednecks. I was like wtf? Cause that meant nothing to me at all. But his family thought that was the worst thing they could call white people. So it hurt because of the malicious intent.
     
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  16. Denny Crane

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    Agreed.
     
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    When my daughter was denied enrollment at Stanford for reasons of diversity goals, I thought that was discrimination.
    But many thing that is good.
     
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    That is completely inaccurate. Honky and cracker are racist insults used exactly as the dreaded n word, usually in a threat of violence and exclusively against Caucasians.
     
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    She could go to a community college and transfer after a couple of years. Or if they raise the minimum wage high enough she might not even have to go to college.
     

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