"Why on earth did they fire that coach?" "Why would they trade that player? He has potential, what a stupid trade." I think too many fans act like they know everything. It's simple. GM's and teams deal with coaches everyday, we don't know what they are like and many times the problems that go on behind the scenes. Players have unique personalities. When I watch reactions on BBW with coach firings and trades I see many of you go..."Well thats dumb, I would have kept him..."....etc...I think we all have to admit sometimes that teams have good reasons for what they do...and that we only see the game from a certain perspective. An outsider.
LOL Great point! I have been saying trade rashard for months, but they must know something that I don't. LOLIn all seriousnees though someone SHOULD Fire Bob Hill I would have done that by now.
I agree completely. Often fans gripe and complain about what a coach or GM did, but we do not really know what happened behind the scenes. We just watch the games. When don't deal with the player or coach everday like they do.
I agree, the Lakers' gm Mitch Kuphak was heavily hated for many reasons which are turning out to be good things. Trade Shaq. The trade brought us Lamar Odom, Kwame Brown, Jordan Farmar and cash. Drafting Andrew Bynum. This is turning into a very nice draft pick. He was hated for not getting Sean May instead but Mitch was looking at the big picture. He signed Smush Parker. He has turned out to be a blessing, sometimes he isn't the best player but he is really improving. Also, think about that the Lakers' are only paying him the minimum...he was a bargain. Kwame Brown for Caron Butler. Getting rid of Chucky Atkins and bringing in a dominant and fierce defender downlow was good. Getting rid of Caron was hard especially considering he is becoming an all-star with the Wizards. But would he have been becoming an all-star with the Lakers? You have to think about those type of things...not to mention we would not have been able to re-sign him in the offseason. All these reasons and many more are why Mitch was hated but I stood by him..even if I was suspicious of some the deals he made.
This thread will lead to the death of BBW. NBA message boards always dwell on 'what ifs' and speculation. I'll still be doing it. I know it's wrong but I'll still do it.The fact is no one really knows what's going on. But that's that point.
I definitely see where you are coming from BCB. You made an excellent post and you made some outstanding points. Its' all true. However, some fans are nuts, and they follow the league like a hawk (including some members here). I'm not saying I know as much about these guys as the GM's/coaches do. I mean if I were to say that, I'd be an idiot, because the management/coaches deal with these guys every single day, I just watch them and read about them.But us fans do know what we are talking about, and a lot of the time, you can analyze a situation/hiring/firing/trade/signing and you can tell whether it's bad or not. I agree with what you are saying though, and sometimes we definitely do "act like we know everything" about some situations (like a trade, hiring, firing, or what have you). But we do know what we are talking about.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jan 15 2007, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I definitely see where you are coming from BCB. You made an excellent post and you made some outstanding points. Its' all true. However, some fans are nuts, and they follow the league like a hawk (including some members here). I'm not saying I know as much about these guys as the GM's/coaches do. I mean if I were to say that, I'd be an idiot, because the management/coaches deal with these guys every single day, I just watch them and read about them.But us fans do know what we are talking about, and a lot of the time, you can analyze a situation/hiring/firing/trade/signing and you can tell whether it's bad or not. I agree with what you are saying though, and sometimes we definitely do "act like we know everything" about some situations (like a trade, hiring, firing, or what have you). But we do know what we are talking about.</div> I see what your saying, fans can know everything they can get their hands on and still only know 10% of the situation. Owners, GM's and players all work together everyday...many times disagreements and fights are never brought up to the media. We don't know which players are a pain in the ass during practice...what players don't give a damn about teammates...what players leave practice first every single day...what coaches don't listen to players...what coaches don't respect ownership...what coaches have dependancy issues behind the scenes...etc...etc...etc...
I really don't mind the speculation, but the thing that really irritates me at times is that some people look at moves just from a basketball standpoint and fail to understand that an NBA franchise is a business, the NBA in general is a business, and that there are also business decisions that come into play when teams make moves.Take the Boykins trade for example. That move was moreso a financial move by Denver than a trade to bring in better talent, yet there were people on this board who failed to even recognize that and continued to say "this makes no sense, Denver is stupid," etc.
<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">Good point, BCB. I hated it when my friends were saying that the Philadelphia 76ers management is stupid for waiving Chris Webber. I told them that they had a reason and the reason was that the 76ers are now officially into the rebuilding process after letting go of Allen Iverson. They want young players on their roster.</span>
Well, their has to be speculation by fans....So, I dont really see anything wrong with it. From what we see on the surface (which is very little of what really goes on) is what we have to base things off of. We dont know what kind of people the players are in the lockerooms, or how they treat their coaching staff in practice, or how they even treat their other players some of the time. But what we do see, is how the players play on the court. Which is why when Earl Boykins and Julius Hodge is traded for Steve Blake, we shake out head. There has to be a reason for everything. But IMO, when you are dealing with a coach, or a GM, it is kinda plain and try. The entire objective is to win games for a coach. You can be great with the players and even be a good coach, but if your players dont respond to it, and you lose alot of games, your job SHOULD be at risk and the media and fans SHOULD talk about. Same goes for GM's. If they make dumb moves and it turns out to hurt their franchise, and the team doesn't get better as the years progress, that GM needs to be fired.
BCB, have the fun of sports is saying what if and being dissapointed. That's why we watch it, we're all ego-centric and want to talk about what we'd do. Most of us don't face thea reality that you reconize. America lives in fantasy land in sports, leave it at that, it's our cultural obsession.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jan 14 2007, 11:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I see what your saying, fans can know everything they can get their hands on and still only know 10% of the situation. Owners, GM's and players all work together everyday...many times disagreements and fights are never brought up to the media. We don't know which players are a pain in the ass during practice...what players don't give a damn about teammates...what players leave practice first every single day...what coaches don't listen to players...what coaches don't respect ownership...what coaches have dependancy issues behind the scenes...etc...etc...etc...</div>True, but a lot of the time we do hear that kind of stuff. Every time? Of course not. I don't even know how to word what I want to say, so if I sound like a 6th grader trying to spit a statement out, forgive me : We do hear a lot of that stuff. On local Sports shows (especially Sports Tonight on FSN in the Boston area, we here a lot of things from guys that are there every single day), message boards (people know people. Even that guy on RealGM unleashed the Iverson trade 2 days before it happened. He had sources, he posted it). Guys somehow, some way, get that information out a lot of the time.And we might not here which 3 players leave practice early, but we sure as hell hear about the guy that leave last. After that, its really not that hard to figure out with some guys, based on their body language, behavior, how they act with the media, etc. Again, I'm wording all of this terribly, but at least I know what I mean here.
