Thanks, Obama!

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  1. Stevenson

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    Sometimes I read this forum and think I am living in an alternate universe.

    Bush gave us two unfunded, never-ending wars, one of which completely destabilized the Middle East. His spending spree and tax cuts ended the surplus handed to him by Bill Clinton and helped drive the economy to the brink of Depression. I agree with Trump on one thing: 9/11 happened on Bush's watch.

    The country was in far worse shape after he was done.

    Conversely, Obama's eight years, while obviously far from perfect, gave us this:
    • 74 continuous months of private sector job growth
    • The lowest jobless rate in 25 years - 4.9% right now
    • The killing of Osama Bin Laden and the head of the Taliban
    • 16.5 million more people with health insurance
    • The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
    • Signed the Paris Accords
    • Delayed Iran's nuclear program
    • Opened relations with Cuba
    • Increased overtime pay
    I know, I'm a Dem and some of these are our agenda items, and I know, ISIS, blah, blah, blah. But jeez, if any Republican had done half of this, you would want him on Mt. Rushmore (oh wait, you do!)

    Statistically, we are in far better shape than we were 8 years ago. "This is reality, Greg." (Bonus points if you can name that movie!)
     
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    I'm sorry I don't go to movies.

    Add in executive orders banning discrimination by federal contractors, although Congress is working hard to overturn. Naturally. Some people think discrimination is a really good thing.
     
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    http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/06/news/economy/obama-us-jobs/

    Why doesn't 4.9% unemployment feel great?

    Only 62.7% of adult Americans are working. The so-called Labor Force Participation rate hasn't been this low since the late 1970s.


    Another reason why the jobs picture still looks gloomy is that an unusually high number of people can't find jobs even though they have been looking for a long time.

    The typical take home pay (often called "median income" by the Census Bureau) is about the same today as it was 20 years ago, once you adjust for inflation.
     
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    Only when a Democrat gets 4.9% unemployment does a Republican decide that the long-used rules used to interpret economic data need to be changed. Again, if Bush had these results, you wouldn't be saying 4.9% really isn't 4.9%.
     
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    Wow! Since you seem to be with the majority, I know I see things from the alternate place.
    You do realize you isolated your good points from the big picture? This is the only reason they appear to be good.
    Then there is some that is just BS. Do you know how many people LOST their health care insurance as a result of the ACA?
    They never mention this little fact.
     
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    I'm not a fan of Bush. That line of pounding the table won't work with me.

    It's not hard to realize how people stopping to look for work and dropping out of the workforce can drop the unemployment rate. Heck, if all the unemployed drop out, unemployment would be 0%, without adding a single job.

    The quality of jobs matter, too.

    Under Reagan, the fastest growing fields were medical, computers, engineering, and other high quality/paying jobs.

    Under Obama, the fastest growing fields are food service, janitorial, etc.

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/18/news/economy/fastest-growing-jobs/

    5 of America's fastest growing jobs pay less than $25,000
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    A joke from the Clinton years.

    Clinton on his daily jog decides to trot into a MacDonald's.

    The man at the counter recognizes Clinton and tells him he's not a fan.

    Clinton replies, "Why are you so upset with me? I've created lots of jobs!"

    The man relied, "I know, I have 3 of them."
     
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    Ha! I could have dang near made that graph from memory.
    Yes Sir, Thanks Obama!!! Oh, Bush? blaming him doesn't help or change a thing.
     
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    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...ck-was-obama-against-the-troop-surge-in-iraq/

    In Congress, Obama was one of many lawmakers who spoke against the plan. "I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence there. In fact, I think it will do the reverse," he said in a response to Bush's speech.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122186492076758643

    Why the Surge Worked

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali...ies-came-after-obama-ordered-troops-increased

    74% of U.S. Afghan Casualties Came After Obama Ordered Troops Increased

    https://www.wired.com/2012/09/surge-report-card/

    Military’s Own Report Card Gives Afghan Surge an F
     
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    Thanks Obama!

    7 years of the people watching you work has led to this:

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    You'd think Hiliar running on a 3rd Obama term would be crushing Trump. That Trump is popular at all is thanks to those two terms.

    Thanks Obama.
     
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    you forgot drone bombing countless civilians and their children, continuing the torture chambers at gitmo, selling us out to the TPP, and appointing a fucking republican to the supreme court (even though the republicans are too stupid to confirm him lol). obamacare, while helpful to the very poor, is a huge money grab for the insurance companies. he also extended most of the bush era tax cuts. and continued pot prohibition. took money from privatized prisons, monsanto, all the big banks, etc, etc, on and on.

    calling obama a socialist, or a liberal, is fucking stupid as shit. honestly, only the most brainwashed and moronic people in this country would even entertain the thought. But he is for gays (as of a few years ago), and abortion! what a shining bastion of liberal ideals...

    and hillary is more of the same. its just such a shame that this is what people get for their "progressive" candidate. The hope and change he promised fell by the wayside, and americans are too fucking inept mentally to even realize it.

    the democratic party is right of center, and that is a fact.
     
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    I made multiple posts because there was a list of things mentioned in the OP. I tend to verify things that are written, even drexlersdad. The "countless" part made me wonder how many.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...inistrations-drone-strike-dissembling/473541/

    The notion that the Obama Administration has carried out drone strikes only when there is “near-certainty of no collateral damage” is easily disproved propaganda. America hasn’t killed a handful of innocents or a few dozen in the last 8 years. Credible, independent attempts to determine how many civilians the Obama administration has killed arrived at numbers in the hundreds or low thousands. And there is good reason to believe that they undercount the civilians killed.

    Why the disparity between what American officials claim and what others report?The New York Times provided a first clue back in 2012, when it reported that the U.S. “in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent." The same sort of dishonest standard was described last last year when a whistleblower provided The Intercept with a cache of documents detailing the U.S. military’s drone killings in Afghanistan, Yemen, and Somalia. One campaign, Operation Haymaker, took place in northeastern Afghanistan.

    “Between January 2012 and February 2013,” The Intercept reported, “U.S. special operations airstrikes killed more than 200 people. Of those, only 35 were the intended targets. During one five-month period of the operation, according to the documents, nearly 90 percent of the people killed in airstrikes were not the intended targets.” That’s one campaign of many in just one country where drone killings happen.

    Said the source of the documents:“Anyone caught in the vicinity is guilty by association. When a drone strike kills more than one person, there is no guarantee that those persons deserved their fate … So it’s a phenomenal gamble.”
     
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    This isn't good:

    Numerous reports during the Obama Administration––including at least one by a former drone pilot––describe a pattern in which a missile fired from a U.S. drone hits an area, bystanders rush to the scene to help the wounded, and the drone, still overhead, kills the rescuers.
     
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    Every president past Carter has been nothing but crap for America. Reagan was the worst president in American history, Bush Sr. horrible, Clinton terrible, G.W. Bush pathetic crap, Obama is just an extension of G.W. with the exception of his left leaning social agenda. Obama has now been at war longer than any other president in history and will leave office as the only president to have been at war for his full 8 year term.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/u...estled-with-protecting-nation-and-troops.html
     
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    Reagan is known as one of the top Presidents of all time. For me he is probably top 10ish. Please tell me why you think he is the worst.
     
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    I still laugh that most americans vote for social issues when government shouldnt be involved in social behavior at all aside from protecting our basic rights.
     
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