I am. It was the glove single-handedly. With or without Johnny Cochran; with or without Mark Fuhrman being racist, the glove was the reason. Without the planted glove, no acquittal IMHO.
That's a huge assumption. Just because you want to make jokes doesn't mean anyone else did. You're the one that doesn't read my post and thinks that I'm saying racism is the reason why he was acquitted. I'm not saying that at all. Take away Fuhrman's racism, and it could have easily been replaced by a crooked cop. And that's where reading comprehension comes into play. I never once said that it was racism that was the reason why Fuhrman planted the glove. I simply pointed out the fact that Mark Fuhrman was racist. You took it and ran with it.
Study the case. Study what the jurors had to say. Several of the ones that talked did mention the glove as a piece, but it was far more than that. Your answer isn't wrong. But it's far from right.
Wow "bro". You're way off base. Had no intentions of making jokes. And I didn't. I can see this convo is over when your drawing unreasonable conclusions. Thanks for unreasonable banter. Don't appreciate your judgments. Enjoy your evening. Cheers.
Why the hell do you keep putting quotes around bro? I called everybody bro and brother. Get over yourself. You're not right Like You Think You Are.
King: Brock Turner, Cory Batey show how race affects sentencing When Cory Batey was a 19-year-old standout football player at Vanderbilt, he raped an unconscious woman. The ample evidence, including security cameras showing the unconscious woman being carried into a dorm room and cellphone photos and videos of the sexual assault, was clear — Cory Batey sexually assaulted the woman. In April, a jury found Batey guilty of three felony counts including aggravated rape and two counts of aggravated sexual battery. He was immediately remanded into custody and must serve a mandatory minimum sentence of 15 to 25 years in prison. What Batey did was reprehensible. The judge and jury treated his crime as such. (SAMUEL M. SIMPKINS/AP) (STANFORD UNIVERSITY'S DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY) Former Vanderbilt football player Cory Batey (l.) must serve a mandatory minimum sentence of 15 to 25 years in prison for raping an unconscious woman. Brock Turner will serve six months in jail for the same crime. That's what makes the case of Brock Turner, a 19-year-old standout swimmer at Stanford who raped an unconscious woman, all the more infuriating. As was the case with Batey, ample evidence existed that Turner was guilty. Eyewitnesses actually caught him in the act as he sexually assaulted an unconscious woman behind a dumpster. A jury agreed and Turner was found guilty of multiple felony rape charges. Turner, though, was given a six-month jail sentence and told he could be released on good behavior in as little as three months. He won't even go to an actual prison, but will remain in the local jail during that time. One man will spend the entire prime of his life in prison for his crime — the other will be out of jail before the summer heat disappears. One man is black and the other is white. I won't even ask you to guess which is which. This is America. The judge in the Turner case, Aaron Persky, who was also a standout athlete in a stuffy, predominantly white sport at Stanford, seemed to see himself in the young man and felt that a long prison sentence for Turner would be an overreach of justice and stated publicly that "a prison sentence would have a severe impact on him." Isn't that the point of a prison sentence? Eyewitnesses actually caught Brock Turner in the act as he sexually assaulted an unconscious woman behind a dumpster. (AP) No such sympathy was given to Batey, who claimed that he, like the victim, was also drunk and could not remember a single moment of the incident. Wrongfully convicted Brian Banks disgusted by Brock Turner ruling Such is often the case of crime in America. Black men consistently pay the harshest possible price for crimes they commit. Just off the top, black men are given prison sentences 20% longer than white men for the exact same crimes. Cory Batey's minimum possible prison sentence, though, is actually 3,000% longer than what Brock Turner was given for a comparable crime. Santa Clara County Superior Court Judge Aaron Persky felt a long prison sentence for Turner would be an overreach of justice. It doesn't stop there. African-Americans and Latinos are three times as likely to have their cars searched by police than whites and are twice as likely to be arrested for drugs over whites — even though studies show whites use and sell drugs at the same or even higher rates than African-Americans. Teenager Kalief Browder spent over three years in Rikers Island because he was suspected of having stolen a book bag. A few months after he was released and the charges were dismissed, he killed himself. (ABC NEWS) The argument here is not that Cory Batey should've been given a break and let off in three months like Brock Turner. Instead, the argument is that the racial disparity in sentencing for similar crimes is completely out of hand. America's jails and prisons are overflowing with young black and Latino teenagers who are paying the harshest price possible for their crimes. Hero grad student describes catching Stanford rapist Teenager Kalief Browder spent over three years in Rikers Island because he was suspected of having stolen a book bag. He was never even charged with a crime and committed suicide months after his release. Jasmine Richards, a young activist in Pasadena, California, was convicted of "felony lynching" after she stood up for a young stranger she thought was being brutalized by the police and could spend years in prison over it. It is among the most ridiculous, trumped up convictions I've seen in my entire life. America doesn't have a hard time sending people to prison for years on end. Our country does that well. It's just that the same rules don't seem to apply if you are white and privileged.
Hero grad student describes catching Stanford rapist "She was unconscious. The entire time. I checked her and she didn't move at all," Carl-Fredrik Arndt said. Arndt and his friend later told authorities that they saw Turner on top of the victim "aggressively thrusting his hips into her." "The guy stood up then we saw she wasn't moving still. So we called him out on it. And the guy ran away, my friend Peter chased after him," Arndt said. ------ So he definitely raped her. And he knew what he was doing because he ran.
@dviss1 the glove wasn't planted. Do you have a pair of well fitting leather gloves? Get them wet, put them in the back of the closet for a few months. Now put on a pair of latex gloves and then try to pull the leather gloves over them. You'll get the same result.
The justice system is clearly rigged against people of color. Every case is different, but it sure looks like the white guy got off easy and the black athlete accused of the same thing ends up serving a decade+ in prison. They both deserve the decade+ in prison. The Rodney King thing was a terrible joke - a mockery of justice. The world can see how the man was brutally and unnecessarily and brutally beaten. Beaten after King was subdued. The court system was shown to be corrupt when the cops were acquitted after legal maneuvering to favor the cops. The feds came in and tried the cops again on civil rights law violations and got convictions. Those convictions had the sentences reduced by a judge favorable to the cops. This shit still goes on today. That's why black lives matter comes about.
Of course I know it exists. I see it all day every day. I can't really say that I understand, I haven't been on the other side of the coin. I lucked out. It kills me that anyone would deny it or minimize it even. I said after the post you quoted that I don't really wanna know what it has been like for black people as far as feeling it first hand. I know sticking my hand in a running blender would suck, don't need proof.
The OJ case was one of jury nullification. The jury returned not guilty because the system is rigged, not because they thought OJ was innocent. The jury returned the verdict it did as a protest of the law and the cops and the results of the rigged system. The glove and other things only proved the prosecution was incompetent.
One of my favorite Chappelle skits of all-time.... the pretty white female singer. "OJ didn't do it." "On second thought, yeah he did."
The criminal justice system is a mess, there's no doubt about that. If you want to see a stat that will blow your mind on rape "justice", check this out: https://rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system As far as this case goes, I'd say it's more a case of judicial incompetence than anything else. The judge's "logic" in imposing the sentence makes absolutely no sense from what little I've read about the case. I don't know anything about the judge, but if this is an example of his work, he doesn't belong on the bench. Does this case say anything larger than that about the judicial system? I think it's undeniable that people with the means to hire good attorneys get off or get lighter sentences than those who are forced to use the lower end of the legal system. That sucks, but I don't know what to do about it. I don't buy cherry-picking and comparing cases and then saying this is a case of white privilege. It wouldn't be hard to find ample cases where white rapists are serving long terms. That said, I don't doubt that black people tend to get longer sentences than whites overall. I haven't seen any statistics on that, but I think that's the case. How much of that is due to skin color vs. differences in means to hire good attorneys is tough to say. I hate the term "white privilege". I hate it, not because blacks don't have a demonstrable beef with the system, but because I think it's a case of looking at the issue bass-ackwards. In general, when a white person applies for a job, interacts with the judicial system, etc., there's a presumption that race isn't a factor (except for instances where affirmative action is in play). The person gets the job or is dealt with by the system simply based on the facts as to qualifications for the job or evidence as to guilt or innocence. That's the way the system is SUPPOSED to work for everybody. It's called civil rights. Calling it "white privilege" to me infers that it's some unwarranted right that shouldn't be permitted or that we should feel guilty about. What I think is that it's totally messed up that the system doesn't work that way for everyone, regardless of skin color. We've made tremendous strides since the days of the civil rights movement, but you'd have to either have you head in the sand or be a total hypocrite to deny that the system is not a level playing field.
ANOTHER THEORY IS HIS HANDS ARE TOO BIG FOR THOSE GLOVES, SON. KEEP ON TRYING TO COME UP WITH YOUR THEORIES YOU RACIST CRACKAZ
If OJ were Asian, you know the glove wouldn't fit then, either - the "glove" would be waaaaayyyyyyy too big.
White privilege is about a lot more than obvious injustices. There has to be a term to describe it. Consider a family owns a home for generations. That home was built by slaves. That family benefited from the slave labor for generations. This is something that generations of blacks, especially former slaves, cannot say. The slaves and descendants have not been made whole for that sort of injustice. Or consider how blacks were routinely denied the vote. Those elected put the screws to blacks with Jim Crow laws. For decades, those laws affected blacks' abilities to succeed. Or consider how blacks were put into "separate but equal" schools, affecting the quality of education of generations of black children (now adults). &c
Historical injustices are everywhere. Jews, Native Americans, people of Japanese descent who were interred in WWII...the list is endless. I'm a here and now kind of guy. People can talk about paying reparations for historical injustices, but I doubt anything's going to come of it. We're trillions of dollars in debt as it is. What can we do to make things more equal today? That's the only question that interests me.
