So her being terrified of him makes it ok not to speak up and possibly save at least 1 of the 50 lives that were brutally murdered? Yeah, not buying that. Even if youre terrified you know right from wrong. Trust me, i dont believe the media whatsoever on most issues so im there with you in not casting all judgement. But she is definitely greatly at fault if what is being reported is true.
Not as guilty is not the same as not guilty. If they had caught Mateen I would be fine with executing him, but I don't think the wife would deserve the same punishment. Life in prison, sure. Death penalty, no.
You are correct. not as guilty, but shes still a giant piece of shit if the media reports are correct. Just because she might have been scared of him does not.give her a pass when 50 people ended up dying.
Yeah there is no way in hell she deserves a pass if she knew and didn't say shit. Go the freaking police station for gods sake and tell someone. They can at least try to put you in WP.
I am not so sure it is moral to hold anything against this woman, certainly not legal. "As a general rule, you cannot be forced to testify against your spouse in a criminal proceeding. This is known as spousal privilege." I do believe we should support spousal privilege. In the bigger picture, in most of these cases where the Muslim goes on attack, there is a high probability that other Muslims know of the support for the radical or even know of the intent to cause mayhem. They have no privilege.
I am not saying she deserves a pass. Just that we don't have sufficient information to determine level of responsibility. I have no problem waiting a few days to judge. While a person cannot be compelled to testify against a spouse, it is not, so far as I know, illegal for him/her to offer testimony. And this is not court testimony but a police report. Meanwhile... An Obama executive order prohibited discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity/expression for federal contractors, you know, the folks paid for with my tax dollars. Congress has been trying to overturn it or at least allow businesses to discriminate if Jesus tells them to (same thing in reality). During the debate a Georgia Congressman Rick Allen read from Romans the passage that " Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them" said he stands by his decision to proclaim gay people worthy of death in the wake of the Orlando massacre. But he offers his "prayers" to the victims, while not mentioning that they are (mostly) gay and Latinx. FUCK his prayers.
The Congressman is Wacko! Not a Christian! His own words condemn him. He may be seeking something to justify his position but his finding does not make him a Christian. Vengeance is mine says the Lord! This surely is more clear, even to a non Christian like me. But then I am not on the hunt to Condemn a Christian.
As near as I can determine, in the Islamic religion, the Koran does not seem to speak directly to homosexuality nor negatively about homosexuals. At least in the copy of the Koran I have that I can computer search. Negative things, “When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes.” are said in Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad or other high powers of the religion. In my view (a student, not a Christian), Jesus brought forth a reformation of the Jewish religion and that became Christianity. It seems the man might have studied Buddhism and Hinduism for ideas to soften the Jewish religion in so far as guiding the people in treating one another. Perhaps the salient teaching is the idea of leaving judgement and especially vengeance to God (so men do not need to judge one another). One of the question I had when I began the study was, "Why do men need religion?" This concept caught my attention. Muhammad also brought a reformation that created Islam, but man he doubled down on the harshness and introduced the exclusionary teaching of Islam. If there is one thing that might be and improvement it would be, to not to kill everyone when sacking a place. http://www.radianceweekly.com/171/4...-ii/story-detail/hadith-on-homosexuality.html
Crandc, I can't justify or explain away all of the hate in this crazy world except to say that it reflects the fact that people make up every "anity" and "ism" there is, and people of all stripes are pretty much messed up. According to an ABC News poll, 83 percent of Americans identify themselves as Christians. http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90356 That amounts to about 265 million people. The religious lives of those people range from devout to never attending church. The denominations that they are affiliated with range from Catholic, to fundamentalist evangelical protestants. The doctrines espoused by those churches on homosexuality range from unmitigated sin to total openness (including gay clergy). The mental state of those millions of Americans range from sane to out-of-their minds bonkers. Their education level and understanding of the Bible is all over the map. All of this is not to excuse, but to explain that there isn't any one individual or viewpoint that can be said to be representative of Christianity when it comes to how the church (in the broadest sense) relates to the LGBTQ community. My own viewpoint, is expressed pretty well by this article: http://www.faithstreet.com/onfaith/...ity-many-christians-get-the-bible-wrong/15775
Thanks for the read, e_blazer. It's just that, after every act like this Muslims do come forward to repudiate and still are blamed en masse, but it's far more rare for Christians to repudiate crap done in their name. We're just supposed to accept that "not all Christians", so why not "not all Muslims"? Interesting point, 83% of Americans identify themselves as Christian but every year we hear about how Christians are being persecuted by a "war on Christmas" that probably people not in the 83% celebrate! Meanwhile, an Orthodox congregation decided to go to a gay bar in solidarity. Turned out to be an African-American gay bar. They relate their experience here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...gregation-went-to-a-gay-bar-to-mourn-orlando/
Hey Crand, I saw this on Reddit yesterday and I thought it was interesting because I know you have brought this up several times.
Obama struggling to use the term "radical islam" is a clear indication he is clueless who the enemy is. I don't see an issue with being specific about a tiny minority of Muslims who are radicalized and commit horrendous crimes. It's kind of obvious that if you're at war, you identify the enemy and bring the battle to them. These kinds of attacks on soft targets aren't workplace violence or your typical day to day crimes.
I don't hate Muslims. I also have a lot of compassion for the people who were shot....all of them. What I don't have compassion for is those people here illegally that don't know how they will afford medical expenses. They are literally committing a crime.
The war on Christmas is a big one. An entire community can celebrate it, and all it takes is one person to say they don't and Christmas programs become holiday programs.
That's a great way to show support for the gay community. I think the more communication, the better. This is an old story, but it shows what I know to be true; a lot of Christians are working to open things up in the belief that the more people actually interact with each other, the better things get: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-15034651 Jesus' teachings can be distilled to two major points: love God; love your neighbors. Unfortunately, way too many people are eager to try to correct somebody else's behavior instead of taking care of those two main commandments.
Do you actually think that, Denny, or are you just spouting the right-wing talking points here? That statement is as silly and blindly partisan as any of Trump's statements. I'm pretty sure Obama is better informed than all of us about exactly who the enemy is. barfo
The "war" on Christmas is silly. As if having some clerk wish me a happy holiday instead of a merry Christmas is going to somehow spoil my enjoyment of the season? As far as Christmas programs vs. holiday programs goes, I'd love it if our communities could get to the point where we can enjoy the many cultural and religious traditions of our various communities without feeling threatened by them. If that's too much to expect, I can enjoy a nice Christmas program at my church.
