I LOVE this trade for Indiana. They get rid of Stephen Jackson, which they have probably wanted to do for a long time, and the only real good player that they give up is Harrington. Yet, in return they get a good scorer and rebounder in Murphy, a good role player in Dunleavy, and a young talent in Ike Diogu. I cant believe that Golden State would trade away two of their solid big men. doesn't make all that much sense to me...I guess that Biedrins is going to be getting ALOT of minutes now. I think this is a dumb move by Golden State, but thats just me...
I think that the trade was beneficial for both teams. The sad part is that Al Harrington is no longer a pacer. The pacers wanted Al Harrington but I don't know why they traded him to the warriors. Maybe cause they needed to enlarge their salary cap. But I think the pacers are lucky to have Mike Dunleavy cause he's good outside shooter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Delonte4Prez @ Jan 17 2007, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hated this at first for the pacers but now I love it.One year from now your looking at a potentially deadly offensive rotationc JOpf Murphsf dunleavysg grangerpg tinsleywith diogu foster and shawne williams who can all be great 6th men. I see shawne williams becoming a great player off the bench in the future more sooner than later. Great balance on that offense.</div>Granger would be playing the 3, with Dunleavy at the 2. Don't forget Marquis Daniels off the bench. I don't know what the Warriors will do with all of their swingmen. JRich, Monta, Pietrius, Stephen Jackson, Matt Barnes...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Jan 17 2007, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>troy murphy, I don't know what happened to him. I remember a few years ago he was tops in the nba in rebounding but now he's just bad. is he hurt?</div>Yes, Murphy has been hurt. He's still a very good rebounder, and he's a very good shooter. Like I said in my last post in this topic, Murphy compliments JO so well.
PG - Jamaal Tinsley SG - Marquis Daniels SF - Danny Granger PF - Troy Murphy C - Jermaine O'Neal SF - Mike Dunleavy PF - Ike Diogu C - Jeff Foster That makes a hell of a lot more sense than having Dunleavy playing SG.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jan 17 2007, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PG - Jamaal Tinsley SG - Marquis Daniels SF - Danny Granger PF - Troy Murphy C - Jermaine O'Neal SF - Mike Dunleavy PF - Ike Diogu C - Jeff Foster That makes a hell of a lot more sense than having Dunleavy playing SG.</div>I agree, but I'm not sure if it will go down that way. Daniels hasn't exactly had himself a very good year in Indiana. A lot of people, definitely including me, expected more from him coming into the year. He hasn't done all that well. So, I'm not sure if he'll just all of the sudden get handed the starting job.I'm just happy that more playing time is going to be opened up for Shawne Williams.
OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG!I HAVEN'T GOTTEN OVER THIS YET! WOW! A TRADE!I'M SORRY, IT'S JUST SO EXCITING!OMG!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Ike Diogu- He is going to add defensive toughness to the Indiana Pacers bench, him and Jeff Foster are going to add a great defensive spark when they sub into the game. Working with O'Neal will improve his offensive game.</div>Balla, you've clearly never seen ike play much. he is a terrible defender, he's an unstoppable scorer.This trade is great. If we can keep this team together for 2-3 years it could be a contender. just look at this lineupG - Baron Davis /Monta Ellis/ Sarunas Jasikevicius SG - Jason Richardson / Monta Ellis SF - Stephen Jackson / Mickael Pietrus / Matt Barnes PF - Al Harrington / Josh Powell C - Andris Biedrins / Adonal Foyle The frontcourt isn't that deep, but the starters are killer and the bench overall is deep.I understand Indiana doesn't like SJax but it seems kind of odd that GSW gets more talent..... AND slightly improves financially. Where does Indy benefit from this deal?
Okay, I'm a little calmed down now.This trade actually does work for both sidesPacers:Jermaine and Al weren't working well together. They were supposed to combine for 40, maybe 45 points a game. Instead they combined for about 34 or 35. Troy Murphy will be a much better fit than Al with Jermaine not only because he can shoot really well, but also because he can also grab rebounds (something Jermaine has had to do all season for us alone when Foster is not in). I think Mike Dunleavy will be a lot better than Stephen Jackson was. Stephen Jackson was just a gunner with us (litterally and figuratively). Ike Diogu will be a project for us but I could see him becoming a very good player in a couple of years, plus he gets to learn from Jermaine O'neal who has a great arsenal of post moves. I have no idea who Keith McCloud is.Warriors:They upgraded their forward posistions big time. Unfortuantely they lost a young center and a pretty good power forward. Foyle will be the main man at the center spot now which is tough for a guy his age. Hopefully Stephen Jackson will flourish in the Warrior's fast break style where shooting is much more encouraged. Sarunas will have the same effect as Jackson, just to a lesser extent. I doubt Josh Powell will crack the rotation.Here's how I think the roster will be for the Pacersg - jamal tinsley / darrell armstrongsg - mike dunleavy / marquis daniels / keith mccloudsf - danny granger / rawle marshallpf - jermaine o'neal / maceo bastonc - troy murphy / jeff foster / ike dioguJermaine refuses to call himsellf a center even though he isI am pumped to see our new roster this Saturday night, at home, against the Knicks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Pacers:Jermaine and Al weren't working well together. They were supposed to combine for 40, maybe 45 points a game. Instead they combined for about 34 or 35. Troy Murphy will be a much better fit than Al with Jermaine not only because he can shoot really well, but also because he can also grab rebounds (something Jermaine has had to do all season for us alone when Foster is not in). I think Mike Dunleavy will be a lot better than Stephen Jackson was. Stephen Jackson was just a gunner with us (litterally and figuratively). Ike Diogu will be a project for us but I could see him becoming a very good player in a couple of years, plus he gets to learn from Jermaine O'neal who has a great arsenal of post moves. I have no idea who Keith McCloud is.</div>Trust me, dunleavy will not be better than stephen jackson. Dunleavy is a buzzkill who isn't above average at any facet of the game. At least Jackson is good.....<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Warriors:They upgraded their forward posistions big time. Unfortuantely they lost a young center and a pretty good power forward. Foyle will be the main man at the center spot now which is tough for a guy his age. Hopefully Stephen Jackson will flourish in the Warrior's fast break style where shooting is much more encouraged. Sarunas will have the same effect as Jackson, just to a lesser extent. I doubt Josh Powell will crack the rotation.</div>Umm..... we didn't lose a young center. Biedrins is still here. Foyle won't be playing more than 20 minutes a night max.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Jan 17 2007, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Trust me, dunleavy will not be better than stephen jackson. Dunleavy is a buzzkill who isn't above average at any facet of the game. At least Jackson is good.....Umm..... we didn't lose a young center. Biedrins is still here. Foyle won't be playing more than 20 minutes a night max.</div>Jackson is the worst peice of ********Right, I forgot about Bierdnes, my bad.
Stephen Jackson>Mike Dunleavy<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>pg - jamal tinsley / darrell armstrongsg - mike dunleavy / marquis daniels / keith mccloudsf - danny granger / rawle marshallpf - jermaine o'neal / maceo bastonc - troy murphy / jeff foster / ike diogu</div>McLeod at PGDiogu above Maceo Baston at PFHarrison right behind FosterI agree with BCB, Daniels over Dunleavy for the starting SG spot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Jan 17 2007, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stephen Jackson>Mike DunleavyMcLeod at PGDiogu above Maceo Baston at PFHarrison right behind FosterI agree with BCB, Daniels over Dunleavy for the starting SG spot.</div>you guys have no idea what a ****** Jackson isMarquis Daniels has been a HUGE dissapointment. He's lost farther than 15 feet away from the basket.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Jan 17 2007, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree with BCB, Daniels over Dunleavy for the starting SG spot.</div>THat's not a risky idea consideringDUNLEAVY ISNT A SHOOTING GUARDHere are Dunleavy's PER numbers as a shooting guard:05-06: 8.504-05: 7.403-04: 0.0 (in eleven appearances)And he hasn't played a single second at shooting guard this year. He has no handles, subpar shot for a shooting guard, no athleticism, and can't slash. He's decent as a SF but certainly is not a shooting guard
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>you guys have no idea what a ****** Jackson is</div>you have no idea what a ****** Dunleavy is.
Great trade for the Warriors. Ike is a great player, and I'm going to miss him, but he is limited to scoring in the post and can't defend or play up tempo play. He should suit Indy well. Murphy is a f*cking ass wipe glad that F*ck is off our team. He stalled the ball movement like hell, can't shoot unless the Warriors are losing, is a horrible defender, a weak player, and his big rebounding averages from 2 years ago came from playing next to Adonal Foyle and Mike Dunleavy. That's going to help you get a ton of rebounds. Dunleavy was a nice player, but he's so damn inconsistent, very weak emotionally, but he should be a poor man's Mullin in Indy. McLeod sucks. If you were a Warriors fan and you liked him, get your head checked, because he is a horrible defender, goes over screens all the time, he can't shoot, and makes horrible decisions. Harrington is going to be great for Nelly ball, he can post up, he can shoot, he can handle the ball a bit, he can rebound, he can play big, he can score and he can muthafukkin run! Sarunas is going to be great off the bench, we need a shooter and we got that in Sarunas, Stephen Jackson can be controlled by Nellie I think, and he is a good shooter, a good defender, and he should be huge for the Warriors while we have J-Rich down. Powell should be a good player for us, he can rebound, and we need some hustle. Great trade for the Warriors. I expect to see this lineup a lot nowG: Baron Davis // Sarunas SG: Monta Ellis // Stephen Jackson // Kelenna AzubuikeSF: Mickael Pietrus // Stephen Jackson // Al HarringtonPF: Al Harrington // Matt Barnes // Josh PowellC: Andris Biedrins // Adonal Foyle // Josh Powell // Al Harrington
The trade won't make a big impact on them this season. The warriors will still have a hard time making the playoffs, and the pacers will have to adjust majorly to their new players. neither team is going to improve dramatically.
I am loving this trade for the warriors for a couple reasons. I didn't see anyone make this point but both Dunleavy and Murphy have extremely high contracts for the production they provide. I think Al Harrington will be able to fit right into "Nelly-Ball". With guys like Baron, J-Rich, Monta Ellis, Matt Barnes (who is having a very nice year), and now maybe even Stephen Jackson, the Warriors will be able to run with anyone. As a Warriors fan I am glad to see Dunleavy go, I don't think he would of been able to suceed at the Warriors under Don Nelson. I do wish that we could of been able to do another deal that was rumored with the Warriors trading Dunleavy for Maggette. The Pacers do get a nice young guy in Ike. I think he will be able to suceed in that enviornment escpecialy if Jermaine O'Neal takes him under his arm.This is how I hope Nelson will play are guys when everyone is healthyG- Baron / Kelenna Azubuike (Same type player as Monta but has been TEARING it up for the warriors lately)SG- Monta Ellis / Stephen JacksonSF- J-Rich / Air France (Pietrus)PF- Al Harrington / Matt BarnesC- Andris Beidrins / Foyle or Patrick O'Bryant (if he stays up from the NBDL)This is a wish, Monta has started 24 games this season I hope that this number will go up. Even off the bench he puts up great numbers, and if he plays on the bench J-Rich can move back to SG and eaither Barnes or Air France can start at SF. When talking about Monta people assume he is a PG because of his size but if you watch him he is an undersized SG.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jan 17 2007, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, Murphy has been hurt. He's still a very good rebounder, and he's a very good shooter. Like I said in my last post in this topic, Murphy compliments JO so well.</div>I wish Darko Milicic would compliment Dwight Howard like Troy Murphy will compliment Jermaine O'Neal.
Murphy can't compliment anything. Murphy sucks ass. Murphy will be getting around 5 rebounds a game with JO.
