So the OT is old rules and don't apply any more at all or do they apply if a pastor deems them worthy of using in a sermon? The ten commandments are OT originally, are they to be followed or not? I am just trying to figure out what the justification for being able to have your cake and eat it too comes from. That is to mean, how you can say the OT is not good enough to be the law any more now that we have a newer set of guides even though the first was the inspired word of god? Once again, I guess my comments sound confrontational and mean-spirited and apologize for that. I am just trying to learn what the rationale is for what appears to be unfair. You can't have it both ways, right?
You would think God would have cared more about not molesting children than banging your neighbor's wife.
Just out of curiosity, why use the shooters name as the thread title? They deserves no more acknowledgement than dog shit on the sole of a shoe.
"... if you want to talk about the law for everyone, i.e. the 10 commandments, please, explain to me how dont lie and kill people is a mean God.” Cherry picking and a false premise. Tell me how a guy that treated his pets, friends and family so wonderfully is such a mean serial killer. Take the two commandments that are not related to proving the gods meanness and then force someone to prove therefore he is mean. That rhetoric isn't convincing to someone who doesn't already believe all that it takes to have faith. Old testament and new testament have so many stories and passages showing the meanness of Yahweh, it will take you 30 seconds to enter those words in to google so no need for me to paste them here. However, I guess you guys will just say that you mean Jesus and his nice words and skip all the fire and brimstone stuff. How come I lack your brevity? My hero.
Know thy enemy. It doesn't truly hurt anyone to know the facts. I feel your pain and I understand that notion. But ultimately it does little to improve the situation by trying to reduce his cultural foot print. He is forever in the internet just like every other "important" killer in our countries history.
Matthew 5:17 http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-17.htm You can't just toss out the old T and still follow Jesus.
Because I'm not a Christian but thank Six Pound Eight Ounce little baby Jesus he wasn't a white whack job.
Nice to see you reading and checking it out. Yep, Jesus is supporting the 10 commandments. Imagine that! Heck no, we can't ignore the 10 commandments! Although, I hear they are trying in Washington. What sort of rubbish is this? http://www.wnd.com/2006/11/38823/
Not sure what you thinks is worse than being stoned to death, but what ever. I am sure you understand that Jesus went about teaching not to do this shit. errr, did you know this?
We may or may not have similar reasons for being thankful he wasn't one of the "good guys”, but I would like to throw this out there. What would it have to take for people that keep saying Islam is a religion of peace to see that it MIGHT not be as peaceful as it claims. After all it is what the faithful actually do rather than what the texts suggest that they do that ultimately determines how peaceful or horrible the faith is. Why the fuck is this so hard to understand? So, yeah, I want the shit to hit the fan to the point that the ostriches with their heads in the sand get a tap on their feathery butts letting them know something above ground needs addressing. Unless I am misunderstood as being a bigot, I am not suggesting deportation, camps, registry, etc. Just initially an open dialogue that there is a problem that needs to be discussed about reformation so that Islam can get on board with modernity. Free speech to criticize the religion, not funding terrorism, Jews are people too, and perhaps some leniency on homosexuality, adultery, women's rights, are areas that need addressing. That is the one silver lining to this tragedy, but probably not.
I'm pretty fucking annoyed with the state of bickering and teams in America right now. After this awful mess, why does everyone still have to run to their corners? The liberals are putting it all on guns, and the conservatives are yelling about how it all comes down to using words like Islamic radicals. Both sides have some points, but both sides are also jacked up on their own traditional lines of thinking. Yes, we need some gun reform, especially with regards to keeping people who we believe are likely to commit a violent act from getting firearms (no-fly), however there is no legitimate way of restricting guns enough in our society to make a real dent in violence, just in law-abiding peoples freedoms to make their own choices. However, acting as if banning Muslims is the answer, disparaging giant numbers of peaceful American muslims and lumping them in with these terrorist freaks. Acting as if calling people names is the answer, that does nothing except drive more wedges between US and THEM. In France, and over much of Europe, Muslims have been treated like shit for such a long time, and now they have a much greater percent of radicalized Muslims than here in America because we haven't subscribed to that degrading philosophy. Last thing we need is to start turning America into a Muslim-radicalizing society. We just need to nut-up, accept that both sides have points that make sense, and points of stupidity, and start weeding through those wit a clearer mind. Fuck R vs D, Lib vs Con, it's the team shit that's fucking us in every way.
Massacring every last man, woman, and child of the losers of military battles. Jesus taught the Old Testament, too. See further's citations above.
So either it wasn't a big deal to molest in the eyes of god or those that made up the bible, or perhaps the god simply does not exist. For we decent modern humans know for a fucking fact that molesting children is waaaay worse than banging someone else's wife in a consensual affair. How some people can even WISH that the god of Abraham exists is hard for me to stomach let alone that such an entity does exist. His creation, the universe, is impossibly large and yet he is concerned with the mere thoughts in our heads about what it might be like to lie in bed with another man's wife?? He is concerned with thoughts about sex on earth rather than trying to make a new species in his image that might do a better job of earning the right to live for eternity praising him. I give. You guys win. See you at the Apocalypse...
I think it should be clear from the words I've used over the short time I've been on this forum that I am smart enough and conscientious enough to assume that I don't think all Muslims are bad people and would commit atrocities or condone them. That is the standard I give to every person I would bother to argue with. I appreciate the same consideration, tyvm. The fact remains that those within the religion feel that a reformation is necessary in order to bring the religion in line with modernity and even the discussion of such a thing can get you killed in some countries. I have friends that were born in to Muslim families and they joke about being able to go back to their home countries. They joke about letting anyone in their family know they don't believe. Ostracized by their family and possibly jailed, punished or killed if they go back. This is barbarism. If this kind of barbarism was happening on the moon, maybe we could ignore it, but it affects people the world over. If you have not seen polls about what Muslims in various countries believe, such as the percentage that think those that leave the religion should be killed among other barbaric laws, I can google it for you. I assume since you have a conservative bent you might have already seen similar pols before. If you haven't, the numbers are disturbing to say the least. So to answer your question. What the majority do, is not enough to push the religion out of its brutal past. And even if a very very small percentage of them take the teachings to their logical violent conclusions, with a backdrop of support of the faiths infallibility of a billion people it becomes a catalyst for the jihadi mentality. Thus, at the very least, it is an indirect support by agreeing to be a part of it without trying hard to fix it. Of course considering you can't safely criticize the religion it is understandable that even well meaning Muslims don't try to fix things. And there we have the rub. Until some reform can even be discussed we will continue down this road to the apocalypse. And sadly the religious think it ultimately doesn't matter because that is gods will that there will be a reckoning. FML
Law for the proud, grace to the humble. If you read the new testament youll see jesus rebuke pharasies quite a few times. They were the religious leaders of the time but allowed their position to feed their ego, thats why they had him crucified. Mean while when a gentile or someone they deemed unworthy would approach him in humility he always took care of them. There's not much point in debating with you, you clearly hate the bible so much so that you wont even attempt to study it's historical accuracy, let alone the theology inside. I really enjoy how mad people get about the bible, the spout such hate because they think christians hate them. The irony is almost too much for me to lulz at anymore. Ill give someone like marzazul credit. While i havent seen him profess to be a believer he at least has researched the subject extensively and isnt a jackass about it. "Quit judging me!" The athiest exclaims ironically , as he casts judgement of the christian before even knowing their name.
