Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Michael Bryant @ Jan 18 2007, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>With the three point shot, it's more complicated to compare them with Showtime but, those Laker teams were still better, all homerism aside!Also, remember that saying "defense wins championships"? Yeah, Showtime shut guys down. The Suns....eh not so much. If Phoenix can actually play great D on a regular basis then they can win a title but, their style right now wont.</div>Did the Lakers really have much of a defense besides Cooper? How many points did they give up a game, I'm having trouble finding that. The Suns don't need a dominant defense when their offense is so good, LA's hero himself, Magic Johnson said on TNT about the Suns that right now in the league the best defense is a good offense. The Suns do have a good defense though, enough to win it all in my opinion. Amare has become a nice defensive presence inside and we have a lot of players who can play good defense right now. I'm so glad to get James Jones in the rotation finally just for that, he's a pretty good player.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 18 2007, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did the Lakers really have much of a defense besides Cooper? How many points did they give up a game, I'm having trouble finding that. The Suns don't need a dominant defense when their offense is so good, LA's hero himself, Magic Johnson said on TNT about the Suns that right now in the league the best defense is a good offense. The Suns do have a good defense though, enough to win it all in my opinion. Amare has become a nice defensive presence inside and we have a lot of players who can play good defense right now. I'm so glad to get James Jones in the rotation finally just for that, he's a pretty good player.</div>The Lakers have won 14 or 15 championships (im not sure exactly..not a Lakers fan..Celtics fan haha..dont shoot me)The Suns have won 0.Case closed.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? Yeah, the Mavs may not score as well as the Suns but, they can play good D coupled with a good offense. That equals chip right there. I mean a pee wee team can put up 135 on the Suns, that aint going to work against the veteran playoff teams than can slow down Phoenix's offense.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jan 18 2007, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nash will never be like MagicHe is in the perfect system but they have NO defense and haven't impressed me much in the playoffslike I said in another post....they can score 300 points but if they let up 301 that 300 means absolutely nothing except a lot of tired losersAre they even the best team in the NBA this year?I'd say the Mavericks > Suns</div>It's just not true. I don't know what else to say. They shoot quickly and the other team gets the ball much more than in a game against another team. They aren't an elite defense but they have a good one. And with the foolish teams challenging them to run then that brings up even higher scoring games to start out the season. I think they will prove themselves in the playoffs.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Michael Bryant @ Jan 18 2007, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also, remember that saying "defense wins championships"? Yeah, Showtime shut guys down. The Suns....eh not so much. If Phoenix can actually play great D on a regular basis then they can win a title but, their style right now wont.</div>They were 2 wins away last year without ANY inside presence and their best perimeter defender/spot up shooter was hurt. Without Amare, Thomas and Bell, those are 3 of your 4 best defender, your 2 only decent inside options (Amare being a 20-25PPG scorer, HUGE chunk), 2 of your 3 best rebounders, your best spot up shooter, etc... Without Amare especially they got absolutely no easy shots so the Mavs were able to guard the jumpshooter pretty easily. I am positive if the Suns were healthy last year they would have won it all.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 18 2007, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did the Lakers really have much of a defense besides Cooper? How many points did they give up a game, I'm having trouble finding that. The Suns don't need a dominant defense when their offense is so good, LA's hero himself, Magic Johnson said on TNT about the Suns that right now in the league the best defense is a good offense. The Suns do have a good defense though, enough to win it all in my opinion. Amare has become a nice defensive presence inside and we have a lot of players who can play good defense right now. I'm so glad to get James Jones in the rotation finally just for that, he's a pretty good player.</div>Actually, the Lakers gave up over 100 points a game every year that Magic Johnson played for them... they only gave up less than 105 points per game three times during his career in LA (1989-90, 1990-91, and 1991-92).
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? Like they have in the past couple years with a stacked roster?
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Did the Lakers really have much of a defense besides Cooper? How many points did they give up a game, I'm having trouble finding that. The Suns don't need a dominant defense when their offense is so good, LA's hero himself, Magic Johnson said on TNT about the Suns that right now in the league the best defense is a good offense. The Suns do have a good defense though, enough to win it all in my opinion. Amare has become a nice defensive presence inside and we have a lot of players who can play good defense right now. I'm so glad to get James Jones in the rotation finally just for that, he's a pretty good player.</div>It depends on what year. In 1985 they averaged 118ppg and allowed 109 ppg. Coop wasn't the only defender on the team though, they employed a very effective trap that was the reason for all their fast breaks. They also averaged 30 assists per game and shot 54% for the season. The Suns are just too one dimensional. They need to be able to grind out an 85-80 win, or be able to hold an opponent to 30% shooting on a given night. Sure the offense looks great in January but come April, their legs better be fresh enough to also play a little D.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Actually, the Lakers gave up over 100 points a game every year that Magic Johnson played for them... they only gave up less than 105 points per game three times during his career in LA (1989-90, 1990-91, and 1991-92).</div>So, every team gave up 100 ppg in the 80's.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jan 18 2007, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Lakers have won 14 or 15 championships (im not sure exactly..not a Lakers fan..Celtics fan haha..dont shoot me)The Suns have won 0.Case closed.</div>I'm talking about 1 era of the Lakers. How many did the Showtime group of players have before they started winning however many they did in that stretch of 5 or so championships? None, yes the Lakers did win some but not the same team. You start from somewhere.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, the Mavs may not score as well as the Suns but, they can play good D coupled with a good offense. That equals chip right there. I mean a pee wee team can put up 135 on the Suns, that aint going to work against the veteran playoff teams than can slow down Phoenix's offense.</div>False stereotypes. They combine with other teams to have really high scoring games in overtimes or when they challenge the Suns to run but if you take out those games the Suns aren't a bad defensive team. You all remember the 2 OT 300+ point win over the Nets but who cares about the 99-93 win over the Nets when New Jersey shot 43% and the Suns had 9 steals and 11 blocks? Or the 92-83 win over the Hornets who shot 40% or holding the Magic to 89? Or having a bad game against the Bulls and then coming back to win it in the second half with a solid defensive effort? Cleveland to 90 points on 39% shooting...and most of the scores of other teams are in the high 90's or low 100's in blowouts.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? If they win a title with their offensive/defensive ratio, then they will be one of the best. The Lakers were awesome though, and they were undisputed highlights of their era. The Mavs are still in the race of being the league's best.So, no.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Michael Bryant @ Jan 18 2007, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It depends on what year. In 1985 they averaged 118ppg and allowed 109 ppg. Coop wasn't the only defender on the team though, they employed a very effective trap that was the reason for all their fast breaks. They also averaged 30 assists per game and shot 54% for the season. The Suns are just too one dimensional. They need to be able to grind out an 85-80 win, or be able to hold an opponent to 30% shooting on a given night. Sure the offense looks great in January but come April, their legs better be fresh enough to also play a little D.So, every team gave up 100 ppg in the 80's.</div>Reminds me of something I read a little while ago...I can't believe the Nuggets used to give up over 130 ppg.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? Yeah, in 1991 the Nuggets gave up 130.8 ppg. And in 1982 they averaged 126.5ppg and allowed 126.0ppg. Talk about close games.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? I wish I could've seen that Suns-Nuggets game that broke the record for points.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? Mavs are better than the Suns...So how is this possible?
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? The Nuggets-Pistons game was 186-184. It wasn't televised though.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 18 2007, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't go around giving your opinion like it's a fact.</div>All I said was that the Suns aren't even the best team this year.That is an opinion of mine, and I thin it's a fact, by the records for sure.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? Guys the Showtime Lakers, MJ's Bulls, Bird and the Celts..all were teams that were speculated of their greatness just like our Suns. The same was said about the Spurs, and even the Heat if you reall think about it. The thing is, however, no team ever had an undoubtful superstar of the NBA, no one had an unbeatable team, and no one had the best coach in the league. The Suns are just another team that could, win 3 titles, and live up to ther hype, they could be a team that gets beat in the WCF's, and lastly they could be like the Heat, and win only one championship, until then, we watch.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? They could've won three titles, but they haven't. As it stands now, they haven't been the best team in their own conference, much less the NBA, to be an all-time great team.Hell the Mavs are having their best season ever, and possibly one of the better seasons of any team in recent memory, but you don't see long drawn out stories about that.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marvinmartian @ Jan 20 2007, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They could've won three titles, but they haven't. As it stands now, they haven't been the best team in their own conference, much less the NBA, to be an all-time great team.Hell the Mavs are having their best season ever, and possibly one of the better seasons of any team in recent memory, but you don't see long drawn out stories about that.</div>You guys could've won as many titles as us but two years ago with Avery Johnson and the Mavs with their new and improved defense you lost to the worst Suns team out of the 3 and that Suns team had only 3 players contributing. Then you guys also lost last year, you are in no better position than us right now. 2nd Round and a Finals loss with a healthier team isn't any better than 2 WCF when both years we were missing great players. The Mavs haven't proven anything either so don't pretend you guys are so much better just because you play some defense. The Mavs still can't stop Nash, Amare and one of Diaw and Marion.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 20 2007, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>you lost to the worst Suns team out of the 3 and that Suns team had only 3 players contributing.</div>That Suns team was better than last year. Last year the Suns had no inside presence and no X-Factor that Amare gives, thus making you guys extremely one dimensional offensively (as evident in lakers series). It also killed your rebounding and inside defense (again, look at Lakers series).
