Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jan 20 2007, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That Suns team was better than last year. Last year the Suns had no inside presence and no X-Factor that Amare gives, thus making you guys extremely one dimensional offensively (as evident in lakers series). It also killed your rebounding and inside defense (again, look at Lakers series).</div>I disagree, if last years team was funny healthy both our inside defense and rebounding would've been okay. The offense was slightly worse last year but the defense was better. We were doing fine without inside scoring but Diaw was giving some. If you are talking about all the injuries together yes that was the weakest of the 3. We did rely on 3-point shooting a lot so when Raja got hurt that screwed us up. Without Kurt, a player like Kwama who sucks on offense destroyed us and that led to a long series which helped out with wearing Nash down for the long run, but that team still made it to game 6 of the WCF and we still get so much sh*t for not winning it all even with Amare, Kurt, Raja, Marion, Nash suffering injuries.I say it's better because the team as a whole was much stronger. We lost Amare but we had replaced everyone else we lost with a much stronger team, of course with all the injuries though the couldn't win it. 2 years ago we only had Nash and Amare in the Spurs series, that is not the stronger team even though Amare's return has made this team the best one. This team would sweep the other one 2 years ago it's that much better.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 20 2007, 05:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I disagree, if last years team was funny healthy both our inside defense and rebounding would've been okay. The offense was slightly worse last year but the defense was better. We were doing fine without inside scoring but Diaw was giving some. If you are talking about all the injuries together yes that was the weakest of the 3. We did rely on 3-point shooting a lot so when Raja got hurt that screwed us up. Without Kurt, a player like Kwama who sucks on offense destroyed us and that led to a long series which helped out with wearing Nash down for the long run, but that team still made it to game 6 of the WCF and we still get so much sh*t for not winning it all even with Amare, Kurt, Raja, Marion, Nash suffering injuries.I say it's better because the team as a whole was much stronger. We lost Amare but we had replaced everyone else we lost with a much stronger team, of course with all the injuries though the couldn't win it.</div>Even with Kurt Thomas you guys were still were very weak in the interior offensively. Absolutely no easy baskets in the playoffs when defenses clamped down. Amare in 04-05 totally sh*t on Tim Duncan and the tough D of the Spurs. Defensively, without Amare you don't have any scary shotblockers to change opposing player's shots, and you lose a lot of rebounding. In 04-05 you had better shooter in JJ and Q-Rich (JJ being a great scorer period). I just think that 04-05 Suns were a better team. Luckily this year you got the best of both seasons.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? Well Q-Rich was maybe the worst player to get playing time in those entire playoffs so not really. And while JJ woosed out of coming back because of his mask not fitting or something Raja came back early and gave the team some extra motivation to win game 4 and he scored almost as much(couple points away) as what Johnson did and with the same D. Amare was a very bad defender 2 years ago but since Kurt didn't play in the playoffs it doesn't really matter. I agree with your last sentence.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 20 2007, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well Q-Rich was maybe the worst player to get playing time in those entire playoffs so not really. And while JJ woosed out of coming back because of his mask not fitting or something Raja came back early and gave the team some extra motivation to win game 4 and he scored almost as much(couple points away) as what Johnson did and with the same D. Amare was a very bad defender 2 years ago but since Kurt didn't play in the playoffs it doesn't really matter. I agree with your last sentence.</div>Q-Rich still played pretty well in the playoffs, 12PPG on nearly 40%b shooting from 3. JJ was at 19PPG on over 50% shooting in the games he played. Amare wasn't a very bad defender. He changed many more shots than Kurt Thomas can, and was a presence. They lacked that kind of presence last year.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? The Suns aren't even the best team in the NBA!!! The Mavericks are!
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? Uhh better than a team that went 72-10? This is retarded
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jan 20 2007, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You guys could've won as many titles as us but two years ago with Avery Johnson and the Mavs with their new and improved defense you lost to the worst Suns team out of the 3 and that Suns team had only 3 players contributing. Then you guys also lost last year, you are in no better position than us right now. 2nd Round and a Finals loss with a healthier team isn't any better than 2 WCF when both years we were missing great players. The Mavs haven't proven anything either so don't pretend you guys are so much better just because you play some defense. The Mavs still can't stop Nash, Amare and one of Diaw and Marion.</div>See, this isn't about anyone saying the Mavs are strait up better than the Suns, which they are by record and head to head wins so far this season, it's about Bill Simmon's claim that these Suns are the best team overall since the 80's Lakers and Celtics, and the 90's Bulls.That's absurd, and all I was doing is pointing out that they haven't even been the best team in their conference the last few years, much less the NBA.The Mavericks lost to the Suns two years ago with a first time NBA coach who had coached a total of 20 games before that series or something like it, and a team that wasn't quite put together yet.Howard and Harris were still young and inexperienced, they were still too dependant on an old and inconsistent Finley, and they didn't have the defenive intensity they had last season and even better this season.Fact is, the Mavs ARE better than the Suns this season RIGHT NOW, but it could change as the year goes on and they meet in a Seven game series.Yes the Suns are great on offense, and not terrible on defense. But you have to be kidding yourself if you think the Mavs aren't even as good as the Suns if not better due to their overall offensive and defensive talent. Their bench and balance of their team.Once agian...all this thread is talking about is rather or not the Suns are an all time team, either this year, or over the last several years...and they aren't. Even if they win this year, they may have an all time 1 year, this year, team...but they couldn't get past the Spurs 2 years ago, and the Mavs last year...so they don't deserve to be in an all time team discussion.Neither do the Mavs until they win the title, so don't go calling me a homer...even though that's some of your guys only defense.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marvinmartian @ Jan 20 2007, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>See, this isn't about anyone saying the Mavs are strait up better than the Suns, which they are by record and head to head wins so far this season, it's about Bill Simmon's claim that these Suns are the best team overall since the 80's Lakers and Celtics, and the 90's Bulls.That's absurd, and all I was doing is pointing out that they haven't even been the best team in their conference the last few years, much less the NBA.The Mavericks lost to the Suns two years ago with a first time NBA coach who had coached a total of 20 games before that series or something like it, and a team that wasn't quite put together yet.Howard and Harris were still young and inexperienced, they were still too dependant on an old and inconsistent Finley, and they didn't have the defenive intensity they had last season and even better this season.Fact is, the Mavs ARE better than the Suns this season RIGHT NOW, but it could change as the year goes on and they meet in a Seven game series.Yes the Suns are great on offense, and not terrible on defense. But you have to be kidding yourself if you think the Mavs aren't even as good as the Suns if not better due to their overall offensive and defensive talent. Their bench and balance of their team.Once agian...all this thread is talking about is rather or not the Suns are an all time team, either this year, or over the last several years...and they aren't. Even if they win this year, they may have an all time 1 year, this year, team...but they couldn't get past the Spurs 2 years ago, and the Mavs last year...so they don't deserve to be in an all time team discussion.Neither do the Mavs until they win the title, so don't go calling me a homer...even though that's some of your guys only defense.</div>Understood, it's just how you put some things.this is my brother's account, oops.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? Bill I-write-sh*t-that's-about-8-miles-in-left-field-just-to-get-people-to-read-me Simmons.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? how can a team who hasn?t reach an NBA Finals be better than a team who?ve lost only once in the Playoffs (?01 Lakers) and won three straight NBA Titles. sorry but I?m confused
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lakersfoelyfe @ Jan 21 2007, 11:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>how can a team who hasn?t reach an NBA Finals be better than a team who?ve lost only once in the Playoffs (?01 Lakers) and won three straight NBA Titles. sorry but I?m confused </div>The Suns have Steve Nash, and the Lakers didn't.
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Suns have Steve Nash, and the Lakers didn't.</div>Yeah, if the 2001 Lakers had Steve Nash, Allen Iverson would have averaged 370ppg against him in the finals. And Shaq would have bitched about not getting enough touches (wait, he did that anyway).
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Michael Bryant @ Jan 22 2007, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, if the 2001 Lakers had Steve Nash, Allen Iverson would have averaged 370ppg against him in the finals. And Shaq would have bitched about not getting enough touches (wait, he did that anyway).</div>The Lakers really havent had a true PG over the past years, are you implying that they were all better at defense than Nash?
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? They aren't anywhere near Jordan's Bulls and Kobe/Shaq LakersI agree 100%
Re: '06-07 Suns: Greatest team since the '80s? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Lakers really havent had a true PG over the past years, are you implying that they were all better at defense than Nash?</div>Yes I am.
