Turner shot over 50% from the three point line over the last couple months of the season I believe. He hit a game winning 3 over us too. I bet he'll become a good 3 shooter under Stotts.
I have been wanting him for a while. I'm just.... hoping there's more. We need a third scorer. Badly.
I have digested this move and I like it now. $17M a year is steep but we had to go high to get any of this year's free agents and he seems to have some abilities that we needed, he will be a third ball handler, he's very intelligent out there on the court, he's experienced and seems likeable. I think I prefer this move over Parsons, less injury problems and still leaves space for another move without major stretching of cap. If he develops s 3p shot, which he was getting better at last season, he could be a stud.
I wonder, is it more important to have a 3rd scorer, or a number of people on the roster who can reliably get you 10-15 per game? How many touches does a "3rd scorer" get on our squad? Who do they come from? How does it change the play calling, flow of the team, etc.? Is it better to have someone like Pau? Or ET, Plumlee, Aminu, Crabbe, Harkless all capable of giving you 15 on any given night?
Actually really like Turner as a player - just not at this absurd price. He's yet more duplication of skills already present on the team. We shouldn't be overpaying for that. What we really needed was a difference maker in the front court. Would have much rather seen the 'poised' Olshey make a couple of smart bargain signings; They'd likely end up having the same net effect - and we could have had money to absorb contracts, trades etc.
In my opinion, a third scorer is a guy who can make a team pay for trying to take option 1 and option 2 out of play. Wes Matthews was a great third scorer before his injury. Chandler Parsons was a great third scorer on Houston with Harden and Howard. Someone who can consistently hit a shot. Aminu is not consistent enough to be that third guy. That's why I was excited about Parsons. If healthy, he's the perfect third scorer. Now that we've got ET, I'm hoping we can find a power forward or center to be that third guy. If it's Millsap, I'll be over the moon. If it's Monroe or Kanter, I'll be reasonably satisfied. If it's Gasol, I'll be fine with that as well.
Who on our team currently replicates the skills that Turner brings to the table at the small forward position?
Watch Turners contract be looked at as a bargain next offseason lol. I remember I wanted Portland to trade for him two years ago when they needed a bench wing. He's gotten even better since then and still has a ceiling. Defensively he gave Klay problems last year. That's who were trying to beat right? This was a good move. Fuck Parsons. Dudebro is an idiot that got swayed by justin timberlake.
As a 2/3 his skills are replicated by our guards and Aminu/Harkless. Yes he's a above average mix of those skills, but is horrendous value - unlike Aminu.
He isn't horrendous value. Aminu is dirt cheap. Frickin Bazemore just signed the same damn contract. That's the new reality of the NBA. Aminu/Harkless can't handle the ball for shit. They both play out of control. Turner gives us another player in the starting lineup that can handle the ball and distribute. Think of him like Nic Batum, but instead of being flaky and inconsistent, he works hard and busts his ass on both ends of the floor. We don't have ANYONE on our team like Evan Turner.
Not one of those guys has turners post up game. His passing and ball handling is also superior to both Harkless and Aminu. He will make teams pay if they trap Lillard and CJ.
I think we go for Kanter. What I like about Turner at $16.3M over Parsons at $24M is that it still leaves us with cap flexibility. Won't we still have close to $18M to spend on another player if we renounce Meyers? That could easily land us Mahinmi, Biyombo or let us absorb Kanter's or Monroe's contract.
If Hendo can be had for less than $15 million per year, he is way better value. Their difference in production and skillset isn't big enough to justify a huge pay gap, and we at least are already aware that he can fit in here.
I like Turner and have long thought he'd make an excellent Blazer.I'd love it if he does turn out to be a hard working Batum; that'd be ideal. I'm just having trouble with the contract size. Seems like a massive overspend ,and definitely not good value. If the majority of their league is blowing wads left right and centre on ridiculous, short sighted contracts shouldn't mean we have to as well. There's trade deadline and next seasons free agents. An albatross contract isn't going to help in those situations.
It is, though. Who cares if we sign someone that gives us a similar 8 PPG or whatever, or identical stats? What we paid for is playmaking. Henderson can not do that. We paid because it is important. The dollar difference is justified in that sense. SOme boob to fill in 8 PPG isn't the coveted aspect
Here's the problem - our cap space was "use it or lose it." It's gone after this summer no matter what. So either we use that cap space to bring in players that are going to make our team better, or we stand pat with what we've got and I don't think that's going to be enough. Turner is an improvement. Not a HUGE improvement, but he's a step up. He makes us better. Hopefully Neil has another move up his sleeve that will improve one of our frontcourt spots, as well. After this summer, our only shot at adding talent is through trades or the draft. The MLE is a joke in this current market. It's still going to be around 5 million. What the fuck does 5 million buy you?
Yeah good point - even if you've got the money - you have to have top players actually want to come here to play anyway. So I guess available cap money is not as valuable for Portland as it is for other bigger teams.
This thread is great, on the first few pages people are furious about how dumb this signing is, but on the last few pages people say he's better than Henderson,start comparing him to Scottie Pippen on defense (LMAO), and claim we need another ballhandler on the team. I don't get that, the move was a bad move, there's no getting around that. It's not the end of the world, it's only one bad move in a league filled comparable bad moves, but i'm not going to sugarcoat it just to make myself feel better about it.
Yes but sample size is lol - 9/17 in 23 games. Over the last 3 years .287, more likely what to expect.
