The Cavaliers have I believe 18 TO's in the 1st half vs. GS, and they are getting blown away.This is what I wait for ever night?? This is what I watch ever night?? This is what I get my hopes up for?? Golden State does not have there stars in, and the Cavaliers are getting owned.I'm sorry, I just can't take this trash the cavs play with ever night.Mike Brown needs to go.
Mike Brown actually outcoached Nelson. The Warriors' only hope of winning was to overwhelm a tired Cleveland with depth and athleticism so Mike Brown fed it to Zydrunas to get Biedrins out of the game and force the warriors to put in their only weak link - Foyle
This road trip was so painful to stomache. Wins against Seattle, Portland and Denver were attainable yet, they faltered with delivery. I'll say fatigue was the culprit but, really they did not have an answer for the zone defense and they were relying on jump shots that were not there. I was on edge the whole game against GS. I'm glad we pulled out a win.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Jan 21 2007, 02:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Mike Brown actually outcoached Nelson. The Warriors' only hope of winning was to overwhelm a tired Cleveland with depth and athleticism so Mike Brown fed it to Zydrunas to get Biedrins out of the game and force the warriors to put in their only weak link - Foyle</div>The Cavs went on a run while GS didn't have the lineup in that they wanted for a run type game. We quickly got a run started and a Time Out was called.I wouldn't say Mike Brown out coached anyone. The guy had Pavs, and Wesley in the game while Hughes and Gibson were on the Bench. I understand we got the win, but we for sure as hell shouldn't of had that lineup out there.It worked, I'm glad, but I don't feel like the Cavs won this game at all.
That was an ugly win against Golden State and I also don't feel like it was an intriguing victory.. I don't entirely blame it on the coach though. Everyone else besides Varejao just flat out sucked. The problem is we cannot build any momentum when we're on the road. We looked tired since we just played Denver the night before. Our interior defense wasn't a factor either.. Players like Wilcox, Nene, and Camby were getting whatever they wanted down low..Also, I have another thing that I found disappointing. Does anyone realize that the Cavs were down by 18 at half at Sacramento, 30 to Suns, 18 to Nuggets and 18 to Warriors. Down 20 after 3 quarters vs Portland. To me this is a HUGE problem. So sorry if I don't get excited over beating a mediocre team missing it's 2 scorers..If this is how we're going to be playing for the entire season, then the ring chasing shouldn't even be spoken about. We are not truly contenders if we cannot even beat these mediocre teams. I expected us to go 5-2 on the trip.. Anyways, we'll be flying back home to face the Orlando Magic on Monday, I think. On the upside, the only good thing is we are 3-4 in the road trip but we're still first in the Eastern Conference.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LeBronJamez @ Jan 21 2007, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That was an ugly win against Golden State and I also don't feel like it was an intriguing victory.. I don't entirely blame it on the coach though. Everyone else besides Varejao just flat out sucked. The problem is we cannot build any momentum when we're on the road. We looked tired since we just played Denver the night before. Our interior defense wasn't a factor either.. Players like Wilcox, Nene, and Camby were getting whatever they wanted down low..Also, I have another thing that I found disappointing. Does anyone realize that the Cavs were down by 18 at half at Sacramento, 30 to Suns, 18 to Nuggets and 18 to Warriors. Down 20 after 3 quarters vs Portland. To me this is a HUGE problem. So sorry if I don't get excited over beating a mediocre team missing it's 2 scorers..If this is how we're going to be playing for the entire season, then the ring chasing shouldn't even be spoken about. We are not truly contenders if we cannot even beat these mediocre teams. I expected us to go 5-2 on the trip.. Anyways, we'll be flying back home to face the Orlando Magic on Monday, I think. On the upside, the only good thing is we are 3-4 in the road trip but we're still first in the Eastern Conference.</div>Good Post, I agree 100%If we can't beat these teams that are under 500, and WITHOUT there top players, then something must be done. I know we don't got a GM that has balls enough to even think about making a trade. I bet Ferry was bitting his nails when he was thinking about trading Mike Wilks for Flip Murray. Its like they don't even try in the 1st half of the game. They could care less about the game. 2nd Half they start playing some ball, but they still need to find ways to play like they do 2nd half's in the 1st half.
You see, that trade Mike Wilks for Flip Murray helped us by a huge amount last season. He was a great fit in Cleveland and plus his contract was extremely cheap. Personally, I thought that that trade was a major steal for us.. The reason why we didn't make many moves during the off season is because we want to be like the Spurs.. Mike Brown was an assistant coach for San Antonio and they won numerous of champions because their team stuck together for a long time. That is what we're trying to do.. We're running the offense like the Spurs and yes it is indeed it takes a while to get used to it.As for the game, it's always in this exact same order and formula.. The first quarter we start out strongly and sometimes have the lead..By the time second quarter approaches, LeBron is sitting for the first 5 minutes and we'll be losing the lead without anyone to carry the team.Then third quarter, we just start settling for jumpshots and forget all about our inside game. The game suddenly either becomes close or we'll have a small lead.The fourth quarter, it is a really close game.. Sometimes we win it and sometimes we'll lose it.Overall, the point is we can hardly ever blow out our opponents or win the easy ones regardless if they are contenders or just mediocre teams..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LeBronJamez @ Jan 21 2007, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You see, that trade Mike Wilks for Flip Murray helped us by a huge amount last season. He was a great fit in Cleveland and plus his contract was extremely cheap. Personally, I thought that that trade was a major steal for us.. The reason why we didn't make many moves during the off season is because we want to be like the Spurs.. Mike Brown was an assistant coach for San Antonio and they won numerous of champions because their team stuck together for a long time. That is what we're trying to do.. We're running the offense like the Spurs and yes it is indeed it takes a while to get used to it.</div>We can't be like the Spurs, and we wont. The Spurs have a by far better PG then ours, and Manu is better then Hughes when it comes to scoring. Z is getting old, Gooden can't play good ball night in and night out. We don't have the right players to make a championship run. When teams face us they just worry about LeBron James and thats all. HE NEEDS HELP! We go and sign Wesley to do nothing, but he did have one good game, and that was last night. We don't use Scott, and Ira loves the Bench and his money. Danny Ferry just doesn't have the guts to pull off any kinda trade. He didn't even try to check on Jason Kidd, not even thinking about Corey Maggette, witch could help in so many ways.We have players that don't help this team at all, and yet where paying them over 2 Million. You add up this bench and it might be the most overrated and over paid Bench in the NBA.
We don't need to end up like the Spurs. To be honest, we can actually be better than them however, we just cannot win the easy ones. Just remember we beat them 3 times in a row.. No other team in the East has done that. All it takes is time for us to develop into that elite team. San Antonio have a great coach when it comes to defense.. Mike Brown needs to stop acting like Mr. Nice Guy and start making better selections whether its substitutions or calling timeouts. Let's just say that our team has no motivation..And then we have our other starters not named LeBron James.. Hughes needs to work on his shooting slump. Big Z has been playing fine on offense but his defense wasn't much of a help against strong post up players. Gooden just flat out sucked during the entire road trip. This is what I don't like about him. Sometimes he plays great and the next night, he doesn't even score 5 points. Snow's defense has been okay I guess. Overall, this team just needs more time to develop.. LeBron needs to step it up.. The NBA is a season long and we're not even half way done yet.. The marbles will come once the playoffs hit.Also, who is overrating our bench? It is fairly decent compared to the other bench's in the league, but the problem is they're not getting utilized enough.Anderson Varejao is currently our best reserve player for us. The last 3 games or so, he has been replacing Gooden's minutes.. Averaging 10.0 PPG (52% shooting), 10.3 RPG, 2.7 SPG. All those games, he has been playing over 25 minutes.Damon Jones has been playing fine coming off the bench.. His defense has been improving and he is finally shooting 40% from 3 compared to last season..Marshall is stroking them as of late.. Had a couple off games but is still contributing.Sasha had a couple great games but he isn't playing much.I'm still expecting Gibson to play those signifcant minutes.. It's a shame that Mike Brown has a major crush on Eric Snow.
[quote name='LeBronJamez' post='268128' date='Jan 21 2007, 07:09 PM']We don't need to end up like the Spurs. To be honest, we can actually be better than them however, we just cannot win the easy ones. Just remember we beat them 3 times in a row.. No other team in the East has done that.[/quote]Also take a note that the whole East has sucked this whole season. We do play good vs. Good teams, that is great, but why can't we bring that when we face teams under 500? We know we can beat them, we just don't play hard like we do when we face tougher teams. In order to go anywhere, your going to need to play tough ball night in and night out.[quote name='LeBronJamez' post='268128' date='Jan 21 2007, 07:09 PM']All it takes is time for us to develop into that elite team. San Antonio have a great coach when it comes to defense.. Mike Brown needs to stop acting like Mr. Nice Guy and start making better selections whether its substitutions or calling timeouts. Let's just say that our team has no motivation..[/quote]Mike Brown is just to much of a nice guy to do anything, or even sit a player when he does not listen. I am still hung over when he said he tells the team to drive, but they just don't listen. I really think Brown is not the answer here to Cleveland, but yet again, I could be and I am hoping to be wrong.[quote name='LeBronJamez' post='268128' date='Jan 21 2007, 07:09 PM']And then we have our other starters not named LeBron James.. Hughes needs to work on his shooting slump. Big Z has been playing fine on offense but his defense wasn't much of a help against strong post up players. Gooden just flat out sucked during the entire road trip. This is what I don't like about him. Sometimes he plays great and the next night, he doesn't even score 5 points. Snow's defense has been okay I guess. Overall, this team just needs more time to develop.. LeBron needs to step it up.. The NBA is a season long and we're not even half way done yet.. The marbles will come once the playoffs hit.[/quote]It seems like ever since Hughes went down for 10 games with his ankle, he has not been the same player. Matter fact, he has not been the same since he was signed here by the Cavaliers. He is not going to the hoop, he is taking this ugly Jumpers that I know for a fact he is going to miss when he shoots. He gets my blood pumping ever time he takes a shot because I know he will miss it. He needs to start driving, and he needs to get 100% quick. On the Gooden side of the note, he just is not the type of player that will work out for the Cavs, and next to LeBron James. I can only dream Ferry makes a move and gets us a better PF, or even better a scoring type PG. Snow is not the answer, and we clearly need someone better. Z is doing a fine job, he just needs to get faster. But at his age, that is to hard to do.[quote name='LeBronJamez' post='268128' date='Jan 21 2007, 07:09 PM']Also, who is overrating our bench? It is fairly decent compared to the other bench's in the league, but the problem is they're not getting utilized enough.Anderson Varejao is currently our best reserve player for us. The last 3 games or so, he has been replacing Gooden's minutes.. Averaging 10.0 PPG (52% shooting), 10.3 RPG, 2.7 SPG. All those games, he has been playing over 25 minutes.Damon Jones has been playing fine coming off the bench.. His defense has been improving and he is finally shooting 40% from 3 compared to last season..Marshall is stroking them as of late.. Had a couple off games but is still contributing.Sasha had a couple great games but he isn't playing much.I'm still expecting Gibson to play those signifcant minutes.. It's a shame that Mike Brown has a major crush on Eric Snow.[/quote]I am not saying that people are saying our bench is overrated, but for the cash they are getting, they are not doing there Job as well as we need them too.Damon Jones finally found his shot, but still is off some nights.(mostly when we need him the most) Marshall, just sucks this season. Andy is the only bench player that is doing anything big this season in helping the team out. Gonna need to change, or make a trade to help the bench out. JMO
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cavsrules @ Jan 21 2007, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also take a note that the whole East has sucked this whole season. We do play good vs. Good teams, that is great, but why can't we bring that when we face teams under 500? We know we can beat them, we just don't play hard like we do when we face tougher teams. In order to go anywhere, your going to need to play tough ball night in and night out.</div>I cannot say anything else but to agree with that.. There are about 3 teams that have already won more than 30 games in the West while the highest record in the East is just 24 wins. However, it doesn't matter about the conference crap. We are 15-10 against Eastern Conference teams and 9-6 against Western Conference teams. Let's move over to the West and see how we'll do. I wouldn't think it's much of a difference for the hell of it.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cavsrules @ Jan 21 2007, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Mike Brown is just to much of a nice guy to do anything, or even sit a player when he does not listen. I am still hung over when he said he tells the team to drive, but they just don't listen. I really think Brown is not the answer here to Cleveland, but yet again, I could be and I am hoping to be wrong.</div>Mike Brown is just in his second year of coaching a team. Give him some time. Just note that he is one of the youngest coaches in the NBA.. Our defense has been improving ever since he has arrived in Cleveland but the major concern is on offense. We don't have great defenders for this team but it's a good thing that Mike Brown has made them step it up. Just a little analysis..Big Z is by far our best post up defender even though he hasn't been showing it.. However, if you'd take him off the team, our offense would be limited and our interior defense would be even weaker. We all know that Gooden is much of a great defender but he still sticks to his opponent despite being a poor shotblocker.. He is a dynamic scorer but still needs to be fed the ball more.LeBron is an above average defender if he tries but he just seems disinterested on the defensive end. The good thing is his defense has been improving now that there isn't much pressure on him. His offense is very limited now.. He has been forcing way too many shots.Hughes is one of the best perimeter defenders at the 2. There is nothing I can say about that. But his shot selection certainly needs to improve.Snow is an outstanding defender against players like Kobe Bryant, Joe Johnson, etc.. The only thing he lacks is going against small quick guards.. And as we all know his offense is horrible for a PG. He should definitely be coming off the bench instead of starting.Overall, mainly people will be looking at the offense but we would be looking like how we were 2 years ago if it weren't for our outstanding defense.. We are currently giving up 91.8 PPG (3rd in the league). I will say this again... Our offense DEFINITELY needs improvement since that's all we're looking at.. It's not really about Mike Brown being lazy.. It's about his inability to get our players going. We all know that he isn't as motivated as the other coaches but getting a new coach is the last thing we want to do. It would be like rebuilding a new team.It is still too early for any indications.. And I too hope that Mike Brown is the answer even though it may not look like it right now..<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cavsrules @ Jan 21 2007, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It seems like ever since Hughes went down for 10 games with his ankle, he has not been the same player. Matter fact, he has not been the same since he was signed here by the Cavaliers. He is not going to the hoop, he is taking this ugly Jumpers that I know for a fact he is going to miss when he shoots. He gets my blood pumping ever time he takes a shot because I know he will miss it. He needs to start driving, and he needs to get 100% quick. On the Gooden side of the note, he just is not the type of player that will work out for the Cavs, and next to LeBron James. I can only dream Ferry makes a move and gets us a better PF, or even better a scoring type PG. Snow is not the answer, and we clearly need someone better. Z is doing a fine job, he just needs to get faster. But at his age, that is to hard to do.</div>If Hughes attacks the basket, we would probably risk another injury and that's the last thing we want to do. See Hughes out for another 40+ games or so. It's definitely not going to be worth it. The best thing for him to do is just settle for jumpshots because he has been getting blocked or missing the easy layups whenever he's driving to the basket.Gooden is just a rollercoaster.. His offense is outstanding but his defense is below average. Sometimes, I wish that Gooden and Varejao can morph into one player.. We have Gooden locked up for 3 years.. There may be some teams that'll be interested in him..Snow is not the answer on offense but what about the defense? The only reason he's starting is because of Mike Brown's man crush on him and his ability to do it on the defensive end.We cannot make Big Z run faster or anything.. He had numerous of foot surgeries earlier in his career and it has been slowing him down.
[quote name='LeBronJamez' post='268214' date='Jan 21 2007, 08:04 PM']Mike Brown is just in his second year of coaching a team. Give him some time. Just note that he is one of the youngest coaches in the NBA.. Our defense has been improving ever since he has arrived in Cleveland but the major concern is on offense. We don't have great defenders for this team but it's a good thing that Mike Brown has made them step it up. Just a little analysis..[/quote]Well, that is what gets me to worry. He is a young coach and we got a young all star with only 3 years left on his contract. If it takes Mike Brown more then we have, thats just not going to work out. It scares me that once James contract is up, and we don't have a ring, he will sign with another team.[quote name='LeBronJamez' post='268214' date='Jan 21 2007, 08:04 PM']Overall, mainly people will be looking at the offense but we would be looking like how we were 2 years ago if it weren't for our outstanding defense.. We are currently giving up 91.8 PPG (3rd in the league). I will say this again... Our offense DEFINITELY needs improvement since that's all we're looking at.. It's not really about Mike Brown being lazy.. It's about his inability to get our players going. We all know that he isn't as motivated as the other coaches but getting a new coach is the last thing we want to do. It would be like rebuilding a new team.[/quote]I wouldn't call our Defense outstanding, it is much better then how it was before, but the last few games we have plan out sucked out there on Defense. We are getting lazy and don't feel like running with the other team, so that leads to easy points, and one's, and so on. Cavaliers just need to work on that. The Wild west trip is over, we are not going to have some home games where we can finally feel like we are the ones that have the upper hand.[quote name='LeBronJamez' post='268214' date='Jan 21 2007, 08:04 PM']It is still too early for any indications.. And I too hope that Mike Brown is the answer even though it may not look like it right now..If Hughes attacks the basket, we would probably risk another injury and that's the last thing we want to do. See Hughes out for another 40+ games or so. It's definitely not going to be worth it. The best thing for him to do is just settle for jumpshots because he has been getting blocked or missing the easy layups whenever he's driving to the basket.[/quote]It may be a "Lil" to early, but IMO, I just know he is not the answer to coaching. He just makes bad moves, and is to much of a Nice guy to be a coach. I wish we had a coach like Avery Johnson, Greg Poppovich, or Mike D'Antoni. Brown needs to find a way to smack the nice guy out of him, in order for us to be a Championship team.[quote name='LeBronJamez' post='268214' date='Jan 21 2007, 08:04 PM']Gooden is just a rollercoaster.. His offense is outstanding but his defense is below average. Sometimes, I wish that Gooden and Varejao can morph into one player.. We have Gooden locked up for 3 years.. There may be some teams that'll be interested in him..Snow is not the answer on offense but what about the defense? The only reason he's starting is because of Mike Brown's man crush on him and his ability to do it on the defensive end.We cannot make Big Z run faster or anything.. He had numerous of foot surgeries earlier in his career and it has been slowing him down.[/quote]I agree on ever thing here. Gooden is like a Rollercoster ride, Snow is clearly not the answer to start at PG. PGs are players that make plays, that can score, and can be the play maker. Witch Snow is none of.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cavsrules @ Jan 21 2007, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, that is what gets me to worry. He is a young coach and we got a young all star with only 3 years left on his contract. If it takes Mike Brown more then we have, thats just not going to work out. It scares me that once James contract is up, and we don't have a ring, he will sign with another team.</div>LeBron is stuck with the Cavs for 5 more years after that extension he signed. If we don't win a ring by then, then it's going to be extremely frustrating and there is probably no doubt that he is going to leave. However, we cannot make a bold prediction right now. I think you are just frustrated based on how we're performing for the road trip. 7 games does not indicate the next couple of years.Remember that Coach Brown installed a new offensive scheme.. A much different gameplan compared to last season. A new offensive gameplan is kind of like having a different team. We were a one man team last season but this year is different--which is a reason why LeBron's numbers are decreasing. Just like I said before, it takes a while to get used to a new offense.. Sometimes it doesn't make sense since one game we score just 70-80 points and the next we tend to score 100.. So these lopsided scoring amounts are one of my expectations to change. We're not playing too well with it right now but I'm hoping for that to change..<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cavsrules @ Jan 21 2007, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I wouldn't call our Defense outstanding, it is much better then how it was before, but the last few games we have plan out sucked out there on Defense. We are getting lazy and don't feel like running with the other team, so that leads to easy points, and one's, and so on. Cavaliers just need to work on that. The Wild west trip is over, we are not going to have some home games where we can finally feel like we are the ones that have the upper hand.</div>Just note that during the last couple of games.. We were playing some teams who focuses more on offense than they do with defense. Teams like Golden State, Denver, Seattle, etc. would normally tend score more than 100 points. However, if we are either playing an elite team not name the Suns, we would tend to hold them to below 90 points.We have been doing a great job on players like Iverson, Ray Allen, Monta Ellis, and Stephen Jackson at the end of games. So our perimeter defense has been fine with Hughes, Snow, and a little bit of Gibson. The only problem that I see right now is the interior defense. Big Z isn't getting the usual blocks he used to. Varejao is decent but it hasn't been enough.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cavsrules @ Jan 21 2007, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It may be a "Lil" to early, but IMO, I just know he is not the answer to coaching. He just makes bad moves, and is to much of a Nice guy to be a coach. I wish we had a coach like Avery Johnson, Greg Poppovich, or Mike D'Antoni. Brown needs to find a way to smack the nice guy out of him, in order for us to be a Championship team.</div>I would like a coach like Avery Johnson or Gregg Poppovich but coaches do not just fall out of the sky.. Mike Brown just needs to stop being so soft and nice. He is just too scared of going up to LeBron's face. Like I said, he made us a tough defensive team.. Let's just hope that we can play much better than we did during the road trip. We have to find a way to win on the road..So yes, here are some of the problems right now.- Play the younger players more- Call timeouts at the right time- Work on the interior defense- Hughes, Gooden working on their slumps- LeBron developing his killer instinct, stop passing so much
