Game Thread Blazers vs Suns Summer League Game Thread

So we're seriously going to dissect a post from three seasons ago? SERIOUSLY? Do you even realize how fucking lame that is? It was a post about our bench from three seasons ago, when our bench was AWFUL.

In that post, I say that Barton, Robinson, and Freeland are the only players worth a damn. Considering the state of our bench at that time, it doesn't mean much. We had one of the worst in the league. Barton has gone on to be one of the best 6th men in the league. Robinson actually got some burn at the end of last season and was playing well. Freeland.... I mean..... okay?

Meanwhile, I say that I don't have much faith in Crabbe, Claver, or Leonard. At that point Crabbe was a garbage time player. It was THREE seasons ago. Claver is out of the league. Leonard is STILL finding himself in and out of the rotation three years later. Do you have much faith in Leonard at this point, because I still don't.

Then, I go on to say that Wright, Mo, and Watson all need to go, and they DID. Mo and Watson were gone after that season, and Wright was gone after the following season. What part of that post do you disagree with exactly? Keep in mind, it was made THREE SEASONS AGO.

 

Crabbe better than Barton?

If you can re-do that atrocious Denver trade you ship out Crabbe and keep Barton.

Crabbe is a better outside shooter but is inferior to Barton in every other aspect.

 

Barton is the better overall player but Crabbe fits the team better imo. Barton does some majorly stupid things, well every player does but Barton plays the game like its 100-99 with 14 seconds left every play it feels like.

 

That's why I'll always find Barton endearing and captivating, but I would take Crabbe all day every day over Barton for organized basketball.

 

Crabbe will come out and look better for the Nets than he ever did for Portland, but he will also have a much bigger role than he would ever have with us.

Considering the similarities of the deals, and the skill sets of each player, I would definitely take Turner over Crabbe.

 

Barton/Crabbe are two very different players. Personally i'd rather have Crabbe and a big reason of that is that Crabbe plays well off the ball and doesn't need it in his hands. Barton is a better rebounder and a better dribbler, turns the ball over a little to much for how few assists he gets but is fairly good at finishing around the rim.
Crabbe is imo a better defender but they are close in that regard, only thing i'd bring up is we weren't afraid to ask Crabbe to guard the best player on the other team. Also Crabbe is a better SHOOTER not just outside shooter and moves well without the ball.
Barton wasn't known as a 3p shooter in college and has really only had 1 season, and that was last year, where he shot above 33% for the year and the way the league is going i'd rather have a 3 and D guy then someone who is at best inconsistent from 3. Also why I dont' want to lose Crabbe for Turner, gotta have someone who can come in and stretch the D when Turner is going to be a liability from there.

 

I love Will but this is not true. Crabbe is a better defender and better shooter, the two most valuable features for our purposes.

But Will may be available anyway: Gary Harris is the starter in Denver (they were just talking about it in SL) and they drafted Murray to push him.

 

Will is more JR Smith and Crabbe is more Rip Hamilton.

Actually Will and TRob are both Nate Robinson types: fan faves because they look so awesome when they're playing well, but overall not + players for the team. The very opposite of the "no-stat all-stars".

 

Seasons over!

 

I would just like to point out that Kent fucking Bazemore got 17.5 million per year.

Bazemore averaged 11.6 ppg, 44% shooting, 35.7% from three, 5 rebounds, 2.3 assists, and 1.3 steals in 27.8 minutes per game.

http://bkref.com/tiny/mVP9H

Bazemore is 3 years older than Crabbe and an inch shorter.

 

No, you just DON'T DO IT.

 

All losses. BLOWOUT losses.

 

Okay?

Let's recap: I said three years ago that the only players worth a damn on our bench (at that time) was Barton, TRob, and Freeland.

I said that I didn't have much faith in Crabbe, Claver, and Leonard.

I said we needed to get rid of Mo, Wright, and Watson.

Our bench was one of the worst in the league. I don't even know what the hell I'm defending at this point. Crabbe played a total of 100 minutes that season. He scored 33 total points. Leonard actually got some playing time, and averaged 5.5 points and 3.7 rebounds, but he was inconsistent. Thus, why I said I didn't have faith in either of them.

Honestly, Mo saved our ass in the playoffs, so if I deserve any criticism it's probably for that, but I hated his inconsistency. For every good game, he'd have 3-4 horrible games. He was easily one of the most frustrating players to wear a Blazer uniform in recent memory.

Watson and Wright were a joke.

Since then, Barton was in the top 4 for 6th man of the year. TRob was a starter at the end of the season for the Nets. Freeland and Claver are out of the league. Watson is now coaching. Mo was a bench scrub for the Cavs. Crabbe is going to be the most overpaid player in the game.

What did I miss?

 

You guys should have seen how much of an idiot I was compared to Bones and Fizz on draft night. I didn't even remember where Labissiere played, meanwhile Bones is throwing out names I didn't even recognize and then telling me what they had for lunch before the draft. I usually pay more attention to the draft and prospects but with our lack of a draft pick I was slacking and boy did it show. With the collective basketball knowledge on these forums you're bound to have someone who is "right" and somebody who is wrong... To take it further we've all been right before, and we've all been wrong before. If you've posted on these forums for a significant amount of time without being afraid to let your opinions be known then you have undoubtedly been wrong before. You could search the post history of just about any one on here and pull up posts where they were wrong, and posts where they were right.

 

Yes, we've all been right, and we've all been wrong.

But I just wish people weren't so fucking vicious when they think someone is wrong. Brian and I said that we thought LMA was going to leave two summers before he did. We were shredded on here. And then, when LA said he was only waiting for a year to sign so he could get more money and he wanted to be the best Blazer ever, we had it thrown in our faces repeatedly about how wrong we were. People wouldn't let us live it down. And then.... we were right.

I just don't understand why it matters. Who cares if I have a different opinion than you? The only people I can't stand on here are the people who are trolling. That's it. Those are the people that annoy me. The rest of it is fine. Have a different opinion. If you think I'm wrong, show me why I'm wrong, but calling a post stupid, or ridiculous or moronic or whatever, is just uncalled for.

 

I have never been wrong. Imagine I took the time to use green font. My downfall all started with being ok trading down for Martell because we already had Telfair. There was no where to go but up from that point.

 

I'm with you on this. Most of it. We all have opinions and we all get it wrong or right at times. That is why we discuss things. No need to take things personally here. I only get upset by needless personal attacks, like last night.

 

Oh, and I thought Monya and Khryapa (and I'm sure I just spelled their names incorrectly, because that is how relevant they are) would really help this team out. I was right about Dame, CJ, and Roy though.

 

Dame is courtside of this Simmons v Ingram game, sitting next to BFF Tim Frazier and the adidas dude you see all over.

Next to them is Tyron Lue, sitting next to Brian Shaw and Luke Walton.

 

Brookfield Duece?